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September 24th, 2006, 07:31 PM
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Distributor-HOLY SH!T!!!!!(THANKS CAL + DAN!!)
This week, i upgraded to a distributor due to problems with the DIS-4 and coil pack (many thanks to Dan Strezo for talking me into it and Cal Hartline for making it so easy) And WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! I turned down the boost to 25lbs, as i didn't know how the tune would be affected. I ran a best mph of 162 on 25 lbs!!! last week, i was barely able to go 148 on 28-29 lbs. Best upgrade i ever made, bar none. All i need now is a 2-step chip in the 4800-5000 range and mid 8's should be no problem. I only had a 4200, which left me with lousy 1.55's in the 60'.
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Fast Freddy 1987 turbo-t. Mostly stock cruiser FOR SALE 2006 Chevy 2500 duramax quad cab tow vehicle (14.58@93.42mph, i HAD to try it!  )Black magic racing- George - 10.13@134 Mike- 10.66@130 both Stock blocks, iron heads     
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September 24th, 2006, 07:57 PM
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162 mph? Is that a typo? i run one in my stock block and its day and night! Congrats! Did you need a change of clothes after?
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September 24th, 2006, 08:27 PM
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nope, no typo, i couldn't believe it myself, i thought there was something wrong with the system, but i did it again, and again!! Didn't have to change ALL my clothes....
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Fast Freddy 1987 turbo-t. Mostly stock cruiser FOR SALE 2006 Chevy 2500 duramax quad cab tow vehicle (14.58@93.42mph, i HAD to try it! )Black magic racing- George - 10.13@134 Mike- 10.66@130 both Stock blocks, iron heads
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September 24th, 2006, 08:44 PM
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What all is involved, can a shade tree mechanic do the swap? What are approximate cost involved?
Please expound further.... Thanks
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'87 will always be under construction...
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September 24th, 2006, 09:26 PM
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rag231, i used a new msd billett one, pn# MSD-8551.
HellOnWheels, It was a surprisingly easy swap, i pulled the coil + module, cam sensor and msd dis4 box. Next, i ordered a distributor- listed above, ($346.88), a set of wires-pn#MSD-31199 ($87.88), an msd coil- pn#MSD-8261 ($139.88) and a 7al2plus box- pn#MSD-7222 ($542.88). From cal hartline, i ordered a dead-end connector plug, which bolts to the harness where the stock ignition module used to go, and a jumper that plugs into the cam sensor plug and the distributor. i had to cut off 5 of the 6 reluctor tabs on the distributor shaft to give a cam signal, plug it in, then point it at #1 while the engine was at 25*, before tdc. the install of the other components was pretty straightforward, and the car started right up. all i had to do was verify timing with a light that the fast was seeing proper timing. it's not that easy with an xfi, or other systems as i've read. but that's pretty much it with an old fast sequential like mine.
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Fast Freddy 1987 turbo-t. Mostly stock cruiser FOR SALE 2006 Chevy 2500 duramax quad cab tow vehicle (14.58@93.42mph, i HAD to try it! )Black magic racing- George - 10.13@134 Mike- 10.66@130 both Stock blocks, iron heads
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September 24th, 2006, 09:42 PM
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 George
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Oldtimer '87 GN ( original owner ) Cal Hartline prepared Stage 2 9.76 et @ 148.07 @ 25# with awful 1.80+ 60 fts. (some more work to do)   G S C A 2865
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September 24th, 2006, 11:09 PM
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Do you know if the MSD box HAS to be the 7222 or would a different box work(ie. 7220 or any others)? I have had a problem getting coils that wont break down on high boost. thanks, jeremy
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Jeremy http://community.webshots.com/user/jpwalt1987 http://evadaleraceway.com/index.html ”The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…”~Samuel Adams If you're gonna be stupid....you better be tough!!
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September 25th, 2006, 09:29 AM
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the 7222 is universal, and it has a 2 step. the older 7al2's would work also, but you have to get the one designed for v-6's
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Fast Freddy 1987 turbo-t. Mostly stock cruiser FOR SALE 2006 Chevy 2500 duramax quad cab tow vehicle (14.58@93.42mph, i HAD to try it! )Black magic racing- George - 10.13@134 Mike- 10.66@130 both Stock blocks, iron heads
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September 25th, 2006, 10:05 AM
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Thanks Fred & George! Congratulations on that awesome mph! Looks like Dan (DLS) created another monster.
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Cal Hartline HartlinePerformance.com (321)722-1563 Official TSM MPH and ET Record 2006 & 2007 TSM Points Series Champion & 2007 GSCA Champion- Dick Kereny 9.005@150.13 and 8.92@156 TSM Outlaw Official TSL MPH and ET Record 2007 TSL & 1998 TSE Champion- Gary Harmon 8.95@155.64 Official TSO MPH and ET Record 2007 TSO Top Gun Points Series Champion & 2004, 2006, 2008 GSCA TSO Champion- Dave Fiscus 8.45@164.59 & 8.28@172.21 TSO Outlaw 2008 TSM Points Series Champion GSCA & BPG Champion- Jason White 9.38@147.39 2008 TSM Norwalk & 2007 Reynolds Champion- Don Cruz 9.02@150.11 2008 TSL & 2003 TSE Champion- Willard Brown 8.95@154.14 XFI, PTE Turbo, AMS 1000 Boost Controller, PTC, on EVERY car listed above
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September 25th, 2006, 07:42 PM
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Awsome news!!!!
I don't understand why anyone builds a race car with the dis anymore! 
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John Wilde 86 T Type Blue - Driver 86 T Type Black - Resting 87 GN Back Halved - Sold
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September 25th, 2006, 08:13 PM
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Could a distibutor set up be used with a ME-r ?? curious.........
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September 26th, 2006, 12:05 PM
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September 28th, 2006, 12:18 AM
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would this distributor setup be beneficial in a 109 block car/ is it the same setup for my 109 as the stage motors, im going to a fast xfi with 83lb inj and for the moment a 72 turbo along with all the other mods i have so far and want to know if this would benefit me or be a waste of money and time on a 109 block car? thanks mike.
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86GN LIKES ZO6'S FOR DESSERT WIFES FEAR OF GOD EXPRESSION DURING HARD ACCELERATION PRICELESS! 1965gs conv dual quads full pwr options 1966gs hardtop quadra-jet option 1967gs 400 hardtop full pwr options
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September 28th, 2006, 04:45 AM
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The distributor would probably be a benefit at your level. If you still have AC the install is a little trickier. Wth the XFI this is a piece of cake. If you are using an adaptor harness it can be set up to run either way without cutting/splicing any wires.
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Cal Hartline HartlinePerformance.com (321)722-1563 Official TSM MPH and ET Record 2006 & 2007 TSM Points Series Champion & 2007 GSCA Champion- Dick Kereny 9.005@150.13 and 8.92@156 TSM Outlaw Official TSL MPH and ET Record 2007 TSL & 1998 TSE Champion- Gary Harmon 8.95@155.64 Official TSO MPH and ET Record 2007 TSO Top Gun Points Series Champion & 2004, 2006, 2008 GSCA TSO Champion- Dave Fiscus 8.45@164.59 & 8.28@172.21 TSO Outlaw 2008 TSM Points Series Champion GSCA & BPG Champion- Jason White 9.38@147.39 2008 TSM Norwalk & 2007 Reynolds Champion- Don Cruz 9.02@150.11 2008 TSL & 2003 TSE Champion- Willard Brown 8.95@154.14 XFI, PTE Turbo, AMS 1000 Boost Controller, PTC, on EVERY car listed above
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September 28th, 2006, 10:50 AM
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cal thanks i will have to contact you directly to get more info on this setup as i do have a/c so im not sure why it would be tricky as the dist. would be up front were the cam sensor is correct? also i just saw your xfi special so i need to get on that also, im a xfi and turbo away from fun LOL.
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86GN LIKES ZO6'S FOR DESSERT WIFES FEAR OF GOD EXPRESSION DURING HARD ACCELERATION PRICELESS! 1965gs conv dual quads full pwr options 1966gs hardtop quadra-jet option 1967gs 400 hardtop full pwr options
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October 5th, 2006, 10:12 PM
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Cal is definitely the man. I just installed my xfi fram b2b so i could use my new coil on plug setup using ls1 coils. my harness is being built as we speak. Hopefully doing away w/ wastespark will net me some mph and et. I'm not expecting anything near 18 mph but thats awesome.
Thanks to Cal & Holly their great people.
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October 5th, 2006, 11:09 PM
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I was torn between cnp and distributor, both would have cost me about the same, but the fact that i bracket race alot swayed me toward the distributor, as it was easier to get a 2-step to work in conjunction with my transbrake. Good luck, i heard many good things about the cnp/edist system too!
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Fast Freddy 1987 turbo-t. Mostly stock cruiser FOR SALE 2006 Chevy 2500 duramax quad cab tow vehicle (14.58@93.42mph, i HAD to try it! )Black magic racing- George - 10.13@134 Mike- 10.66@130 both Stock blocks, iron heads
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October 6th, 2006, 10:28 AM
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Nail head , The reason is that the distributor cap is in the way of the AC accesory bracket. It can be made to work and Cal knows how.
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http://community.webshots.com/user/10secv6  1987 Buick Grand National Dart 400ci SBC, PTE106, PTE 2000 liquid IC, PTC Powerglide and converter FAST XFI Dyno Tune by Cal Hartline 1989 Pontiac TTA
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