Alky injection.

[meanchicken]

I'll be placing my order for alky injection this week.

Still slightly undecided, but leaning towards an SMC kit over the Alkycontrol.

I recognize the Alkycontrol kit is a better overall kit, but for what I'm doing with this car (12 second....11 if I get lucky), the price and ease of install...I'm liking the SMC.

Wanted to get some feedback from the Southwestern crowd before I call and order.

Any thoughts?

[marred4life]

i personally like the razors kit better it just looks more stealthy IMHO the smc kit looks like it just serves it purpose nothing fancy about, but i personally dont like alcohol injection i like the c16 better, i dont understand how some guys purchase a alcohol injection kit then want to run c16..... just a waist of money to me.

[maxcom]

nevermind

[rafael vasquez]

meanchicken dont waste ur time razor only.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................................

[williamsGN]

With them both being progressive, external pumps and 'overflow' holding tanks, the difference ? 130 bucks

[BountyHunter]

The Razor kit is so over engineered it will last longer with less issues than SMC...IMO. I had the SMC, and now the Razor...The install took me about 1.5 hours for the Razor kit. The instructions are real easy to follow. He uses a GM 3 bar map...top notch connectors and includes the heat shrink and soider SMC is a great kit, but if I were going to keep the car for any length of time...Razor, the kit has been problem free for me !! But this is of course just my personal opinon..

[Gary Wells]

Sorry, Tim, but you are probably not going to like this, but I think that if I couldn't go with Julio Don's Alkycontrol, I wouldn't go at all. I am nothing but amazed at how nice of a job Mike did on mine and how nice and stealth it came out. As far as appearance, there is just not a comparsion to be made.
I think that most people regret doing the SMC after they see a Alkycontrol kit installed stealthily, but I guess that as long as you are aware of it's cosmetic shortcomings, then so be it. God Bless Julio Don, the Alkycontrol kit that he designed & built for us, & Mr Mike Barnard (Spoolfool2) for taking the time to do mine as nice and neat of a installation job as he did. Props to all. Come to think about it, God Bless & props to any & all that have ever helped on my car in any way whatsoever. You're all the greatest.

[meanchicken]

Thanks, guys.
Seems most on the board like razors kit the best and that is hard to ignore.

Have you checked out the current SMC kit? Seems the older kit had a few issues but he has addressed the major ones.

A couple points on the current SMC. It has the 3 BAR MAF implanted in the control unit.
He also upgraded the pump (still not as good as Razors) which seemed to be one of the major knocks on it previosly and also uses a factory looking overflow tank like Razor for the alky and a mini tank for the overflow.

So the biggest diffs now seem to be razor still uses a nicer pump and the razor kit puts the pump in hiding.

Several giys commented on my post in the Alky section that their new SMC is a nice rig too.

Slap me some more and help me out here!

What's the story on C16?

[marred4life]

C16= cocaine for your ride (race fuel)
youll never have to worry about blowing head gaskets
but if you really want the alky kit go with razors kit its tits

[rafael vasquez]

Originally Posted by meanchicken

Thanks, guys.
Seems most on the board like razors kit the best and that is hard to ignore.

Have you checked out the current SMC kit? Seems the older kit had a few issues but he has addressed the major ones.

A couple points on the current SMC. It has the 3 BAR MAF implanted in the control unit.
He also upgraded the pump (still not as good as Razors) which seemed to be one of the major knocks on it previosly and also uses a factory looking overflow tank like Razor for the alky and a mini tank for the overflow.

So the biggest diffs now seem to be razor still uses a nicer pump and the razor kit puts the pump in hiding.

Several giys commented on my post in the Alky section that their new SMC is a nice rig too.

Slap me some more and help me out here!

What's the story on C16?

RAZOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!DO IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!RAZOR !!!!!!!!!!

[petesgn]

Originally Posted by rafael vasquez

RAZOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!DO IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!RAZOR !!!!!!!!!!

Hey i think you left a DO IT out.

[XxDarkSidexX]

well I like Razors! got his dual kit.

razor makes a great kit! His customer service is ND to NONE! I've been lucky enough to meet him and his family, goto his shop were he builds the kits, goto cars shows in the winter in Florida (60 degree weather rocking sandals!)and drink some ALKY with him too. A wonderful vendor and we are lucky to have him around!

DS

[turbolou]

Originally Posted by meanchicken

I'll be placing my order for alky injection this week.

Still slightly undecided, but leaning towards an SMC kit over the Alkycontrol.

I recognize the Alkycontrol kit is a better overall kit, but for what I'm doing with this car (12 second....11 if I get lucky), the price and ease of install...I'm liking the SMC.

Wanted to get some feedback from the Southwestern crowd before I call and order.

Any thoughts?

Both kits serve their purpose. The razor kit is more for the serious racer, Both have good support. SMC strong points are price ease of installation.user friendly & certainly ample for a 11 or 12 second car. But the important thing is with todays fuel to run an alky kit no matter who's it is.

[graza002]

Originally Posted by meanchicken

I'll be placing my order for alky injection this week.

Still slightly undecided, but leaning towards an SMC kit over the Alkycontrol.

I recognize the Alkycontrol kit is a better overall kit, but for what I'm doing with this car (12 second....11 if I get lucky), the price and ease of install...I'm liking the SMC.

Wanted to get some feedback from the Southwestern crowd before I call and order.

Any thoughts?

Both kits are good. I currently have the SMC Kit. I like it but I have noticed that when the pump gets hot, it will not function, and if your not paying attention to the spray light, you could blow up the engine, due to the fact that all of our engines that run ALKY are tuned for it.

If you do go with the SMC kit, just make sure the pump is in an area where there is not alot of heat, and you should be fine.

Personally if I did it again, I would go with Razors. But then again I am also going for a higher goal for power and speed.

[meanchicken]

Thanks guys.

Thanks Lou for a good non-biased expert opinion. I appreciate that.I'm thinking pretty much in line with you.

Thanks Ralph for a completely biased and emotional response. I appreciate that. Aren't you the guy who was at Fudds with me one Tuesday trying to sell your black car and when someone asked "What's that for?" While pointing at your alky line on the up pipe, you pointed to me and wanted me to tell the guy?
;-)
Are you suuuuuure you have an Alkycontrol set-up?
I'm just having fun with you, my friend.

Hey Graza.
You are a key data point.
Is your pump mounted at the AC condenser where SMC recommends, or elsewhere? Are you using his original pump or the newer one?

[graza002]

Originally Posted by meanchicken

Hey Graza.
You are a key data point.
Is your pump mounted at the AC condenser where SMC recommends, or elsewhere? Are you using his original pump or the newer one?

Yes, that is where I have my pump set up. I am going to try to re locate the whole unit somewhere else and see what happens.

I will say, that when the pump died before, SMC fixed the problem no questions asked. The system works really well, I just dont think the pump holds up too well in extreme temps. And I am almost 100% positive that the problems I am having are caused by heat. For example, on Friday last week (when it was over 100 degrees outside) the pump worked fine when I first ran the car, everything worked. After some driving in the heat the pump quit. I lifted the hood, and felt the pump, and it was extremely hot. Once I shut the car off and let things cool off quite a bit, the pump worked fine. OH, P.S I WAS RUNNING THE A/C IN THE CAR THAT DAY. Maybe that had something to do with the excessive heat to the pump.

[turbopete]

It is the only way to go.

[turbolou]

Originally Posted by meanchicken

Thanks guys.

Thanks Lou for a good non-biased expert opinion. I appreciate that.I'm thinking pretty much in line with you.

Thanks Ralph for a completely biased and emotional response. I appreciate that. Aren't you the guy who was at Fudds with me one Tuesday trying to sell your black car and when someone asked "What's that for?" While pointing at your alky line on the up pipe, you pointed to me and wanted me to tell the guy?
;-)
Are you suuuuuure you have an Alkycontrol set-up?
I'm just having fun with you, my friend.

Hey Graza.
You are a key data point.
Is your pump mounted at the AC condenser where SMC recommends, or elsewhere? Are you using his original pump or the newer one?

If you can afford the razor kit & really need all that it has to offer go for it. The SMC kit will do you just fine,I have sold many with little problems.You have a budget & only so many pockets,If you have a problem Steve will stand behind it. Take the time to call him & see how you feel after that & then decide. I'll be around if you need any immoral support.

[Pablo]

There's a lot of hype surrounding razor's kit but I dont think it's any better than any of the major kits out there. The only benefit to his kit is that he provides instructions for a somewhat stealth install specifically for a turbo Buick. Actually if you want to just jump on the bandwagon or not engage much thought into the alky process, keep it simple, its probably the kit for you.

I think I'm probably more familiar with how his kit works, and how alky injection works in general than most. I have had his kit apart I have bench tested it.. I know how it works. it does a job but I would hardly call it over engineered or even say that it does its job very well. In fact it is well well well behind what the other alky systems are capable of in terms of technology. Razor just has a strangle hold on this forum and though I harbor no ill will toward him or his products, I think that he is simply resting on his laurels. I would be the first one to commend him if he stepped things up a few notches.

Any thread that comes up about alky kits is the same, little technological info and a lot of bandwagon.

When you absolutely depend on your alcohol kit to work you start to notice the shortcomings, and I have personally had a kit from him that worked intermittently. If I wasn't keenly observant as to the warning signs I might have driven over my crank. He was very gracious and provided me with a new kit but it was quite obvious that his stuff was being left behind and that there were issues that have not been discussed.

Perhaps the absolute most major issue is the evaporation or siph