Arizona: This just gets better and better

[818GN]

Building a wall and or stationing troops on the border is a possibility.

However, how do we pay for this wall?

We are $13 Trillion in debt and growing. I am not sure Congress would approve the spending as it would cost billions to do so, not to mention a the red tape.

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by 818GN

If you don't have a plan then what is there to discuss? Again, how do we lock down the border without causing an international incident? Your not taking into account the fallout of these actions.

Easy...we lock it down. The only international incident will be that idiot Mexican president being upset over not getting his cut of the drug money.

How do we, as a country, put out a fire that we helped fuel, to the point it is so big, it is out of control. How?

With extreme measures.

If I implied that YOU are a racist, then my apologies. You did not create history, however the decisions of our past our shaping our future.

There is no IF....you did....a couple of times even.

You hit the nail on the head. We have not enforced our laws, thus putting ourselves in this situation.

To address the second part of your statement: How do we remove millions of people that are entrenched in our society?

I don't know that we have to remove them, all I am saying is that there is no entitlement to be here. There isn't any RIGHT to exist in our country and we are not obligated to keep them.

Here's a great idea....anyone that has a job and can pay taxes gets to stay. Anyone who is going to be dead weight on our social services has to go. Period.

Simple, easy and fair.

Wow.

You're the ding-a-ling that brought up the civil war when I was talking about public opinion polls.....

I will repeat it. How do we remove millions of people that are entrenched in our society? How do we do this without creating a Civil Rights fiasco? How do we do it with the least amount of collateral damage?

Carefully. See.....this is America. We don't back down from things and just because something is hard doesn't mean we won't tackle it. Winning our freedom from England was hard, the Civil War was hard, WWII was hard...there are a lot of things that are hard but we will do what is right eventually.

I realize your culture doesn't have the same mindset that we do, your country hasn't done anything hard since it existed basically, but that's not in our blood.

There is no civil rights fiasco....if you aren't a citizen of this country then you are not allowed to be here. You are violating the law.

If I get pulled over for speeding, my civil rights aren't violated if they put me in jail. I broke the law. The law has consequences.

The Arizona bill is doing NOTHING but enforcing the law and all you crybabies are running around screaming about your civil rights. If you are a US citizen then you will have nothing to fear, if you aren't then out you go.

It does, yes. Due to this people will always bring up race due to overall imbalance in the demographics of illegals. Not saying it's right, just fact.

Ok so race is brought up. Tough Shyt.

You keep bring up the "throw them all out" strategy, without any plan on how to do so. How do we do it and still save face as a country?

We don't need to save face as a country. We would be saving face by FINALLY doing something about this issue. We've been bleeding for years and we're too f'ing stupid to do anything about because we're afraid a couple of **** heads are going to cry racism!

Tough.

Yes both violated the law and both should be prosecuted. However if more pressure is put on the employer vs. the employee, then you stop the problem at it's source: jobs. However like you said before, we have never enforced our own laws.

Wiggle and squirm all you want. If I rob a bank it isn't the banks fault because they are there. It's my fault because I chose to rob the bank.

Prosecute both...I don't care but don't sit there and pretend like these people are not breaking the laws of this country every damn day!

Of course not all will qualify, that's a given. With the difference of views and political freedom in this country, no bill on immigration will ever satisfy all.



These immigrants have families. Now some of them may be legal, by birth, and some are not. Most if not all have been here for years. They have jobs, homes, cars, etc. The pay mortgages, car payments, utility bills, and pump money in to the economy.

Now how do we solve this?
How do we go about rounding up the ones that are not legal, while leaving the one's that are?
How do we prepare for all homes and cars, already adding to the foreclosure crisis, that will not be payed on?
How do we replace the money being spent in our country?
How do the industries that support migrants (agriculture, construction, service industry, etc) adjust to higher expenses in a downward economy?

How about if we skip all that....and just use the Arizona bill as a base. If you run into the PO PO and you are found to be illegal then away you go. Everyone else gets to stay.

Do that and CLOSE THE BORDER and I think most Americans would be perfectly happy to let the rest stay and become citizens. I would....but we have to CLOSE THE FRIGGIN BORDER!

Stop concentrating on the forest ("they shouldn't be here" and "throw them all out" arguments) and start focusing on the trees (the plan, the execution, and ways to limit the collateral damage). This not an open and shut case when it comes to this problem.

Yes it is. It's only difficult because you are trying to accomplish it without hurting anyone's feelings and because it will be hard to address......but that's your mindset....not ours.

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Building a wall and or stationing troops on the border is a possibility.

However, how do we pay for this wall?

We are $13 Trillion in debt and growing. I am not sure Congress would approve the spending as it would cost billions to do so, not to mention a the red tape.

5 Apache gunships would close the border. Yes I am kidding.

One Immigration bill in Arizona cleaned the place out. No I am not kidding.

The cost of a wall would easily be recouped with the savings from not supporting entire generations of freeloaders.

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by GNBRETT

Easy. Stop any future illegals from entering. It's not rocket science. No one needs a master plan. It's common sense!

We didn't help fuel that fire. The lack of border containment and opportunity to succeed in Mexico due to communism is what fueled that fire for them to come here. The fix is to tighten up the border and punish those who cross harshly. For some reason that seems to be a difficult plan for you to understand.

It's not really all that difficult to figure out actually.

Millions of people have come to this country from other countries throughout history. Can you figure out what the difference is between those who came here a long time ago vs. those who are coming here now? It's not hard. They learned to speak, read and write English and strived towards becomming a US citizen so they can pay taxes and actually GIVE and TAKE vs. TAKE and TAKE.

Mexicans are not doing that and even if they wanted to the population of the US is much different then it was 50-60 years ago and there is no room for uneducated people who leech off the system as a whole vs. contribute to it.

Well said. I know the more hardcore wouldn't agree but honestly if they would just stop the inflow and effectively close the border...I'd be happy with letting everyone else stay and become citizens.

Just stop the constant migration.

[GNBRETT]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Building a wall and or stationing troops on the border is a possibility.

Originally Posted by 818GN

However, how do we pay for this wall?

We are $13 Trillion in debt and growing. I am not sure Congress would approve the spending as it would cost billions to do so, not to mention a the red tape.

Were still the richest country on earth and could easily afford to drop and few billion on advanced technology along the border to keep a bounch Mexicans out who come here bare footed and shirtless.

Howbout the cost of crime from illegals which is estimated between $70-$330 Billion a year. Just one year!

In Texas 70% of women giving birth in just one Dallas hospital in the first (3) months of year were illegal aliens. That's just one city in one state.

Over 30% of illegal aliens receive welfare. (usually for their children born in US hospitals at the U.S. tax payers expense).

Howbout the burden on law enforcement costing California alone billions per year. 30% of illegals are in the JAIL.

Do you really need more examples of how we could pay for it? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[tc86gn]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Same to you hotshot, Whats your plan?

Hey. Just because I blew your DREAM out of the water don't expect me to have all the answers!
I think a good start would be to CLOSE THE BORDER AND ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS.

Now how do we solve this?

CLOSE THE BORDER AND ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS.

How do we go about rounding up the ones that are not legal, while leaving the one's that are?

CLOSE THE BORDER AND ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS.

How do we prepare for all homes and cars, already adding to the foreclosure crisis, that will not be payed on?

Who cares after we....CLOSE THE BORDER AND ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS.

How do we replace the money being spent in our country?

We would be saving the amount of money it takes legal citizens to support their illegal status after we...CLOSE THE BORDER AND ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS.

How do the industries that support migrants (agriculture, construction, service industry, etc) adjust to higher expenses in a downward economy?

The same way they would if they were punished properly already (which you support) after we...CLOSE THE BORDER AND ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS.

Instead of a pissing contest why don't we engage in a fruitful conversation about solutions, instead of the scope of the problem.

Who is in a pissing contest? You presented a position that benefits, encourages, and rewards illegal status at the expense of the legal citizens of this country and I countered it. If there was any pissing going on it was in your cheerios. In the other thread you told me,"Feel free to read my other 2 threads on this topic. Lots of homework done in there. Read it. Understand it. Prove me wrong." don't cry like a little girl when I take you up on your offer.

[818GN]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Well said. I know the more hardcore wouldn't agree but honestly if they would just stop the inflow and effectively close the border...I'd be happy with letting everyone else stay and become citizens.

Just stop the constant migration.

It took several posts,but finally a logical start.

Whomever is here, weed the good from the bad. The good on the path to citizenship, the bad get a one way ticket home.

Stop the current flow and deal with whomever is here in a fair fashion.

I agree with this approach.

[whitehot84]

Originally Posted by 818GN

It took several posts,but finally a logical start.

Whomever is here, weed the good from the bad. The good on the path to citizenship, the bad get a one way ticket home.

Stop the current flow and deal with whomever is here in a fair fashion.

I agree with this approach.

Then you agree with the Arizona law. Duh!

[ZOOM ZOOM]

Originally Posted by whitehot84

then you agree with the arizona law. Duh!

ding ding ding ding we have a winner

[818GN]

Does the Arizona law give a path to citizenship? No it doesn't.

I was responding to BlownZ's response.

Well said. I know the more hardcore wouldn't agree but honestly if they would just stop the inflow and effectively close the border...I'd be happy with letting everyone else stay and become citizens.

Just stop the constant migration.

I was not agreeing with the law. I agreed with points I put in Bold.

Stop the inflow, deal with who is here, let the good stay, and send the bad back home.

[whitehot84]

[QUOTE=818GN;2540636]

Does the Arizona law give a path to citizenship? No it doesn't.

Oh but it does. It puts them back in line like the people who came here legally before them.

I was responding to BlownZ's response.


I was not agreeing with the law. I agreed with points I put in Bold.

Stop the inflow, deal with who is here, let the good stay, and send the bad back home.

Yes, illegals are bad. Illegal, get it?????

[tc86gn]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Does the Arizona law give a path to citizenship? No it doesn't.

I was responding to BlownZ's response.



I was not agreeing with the law. I agreed with points I put in Bold.

Stop the inflow, deal with who is here, let the good stay, and send the bad back home.

Sure it does. whitehot 84 already commented on that.

Hint: If they are here illegaly they all broke the law. They all need to go. What standard do you propose to reward "good" ones to stay that have violated the law.

That sounds stupid doesn't it? Rewarding people for violating the law. At the inception of such a proposal there would be a massive influx of illegal "good" ones.

Brilliant.

[whitehot84]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Building a wall and or stationing troops on the border is a possibility.

However, how do we pay for this wall?

We are $13 Trillion in debt and growing. I am not sure Congress would approve the spending as it would cost billions to do so, not to mention a the red tape.

The funding for the wall was appropriated during the Bush administration. It's still there.

[818GN]

Here is a perfect example of "bending the truth". Brewer is not helping her case, by making claims not even her state can validate.

Coroners cant back Brewer beheadings claim

More claims from the article:

Brewer- 87% of immigrants crossing have criminal records
**Feds can not confirm, and Brewer's administration can't provide a source.**

Brewer claims parents are keeping their children home from school out fear.
Can anyone verify that?

Brewer- States majority of illegals crossing are "drug mules"

89% of immigrants are charged with "illegal entry"
5% of immigrants are charged with drug trafficking

"Based on conversations with front-line Border Patrol agents, it is clear that the majority of people encountered by the Border Patrol are not carrying drugs," said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council. "While it is true that the majority of human smuggling is controlled or at least regulated by the cartels, it does not logically follow that the majority of people who are smuggled by the cartels are therefore transporting drugs. The penalties for transporting drugs are far greater than the penalties for entering the country illegally, so people do not engage in that type of criminal behavior unless they are so inclined, are extremely desperate or are coerced by the cartels. The two latter categories are the exceptions rather than the rule."

The Border Patrol Union supports the bill and they don't support this claim.

An interesting side not on the financial impact Mexicans, both legal and illegal, have on Arizona.

Mexican Visitors to Arizona: Visitor Characteristics and Economic Impacts 2007-2008

* Each day, visitors from Mexico spent $7.3 million in Arizona stores, restaurants, hotels and other businesses... Over 5 percent of taxable sales in Pima County were attributable to the Mexican visitors.
* Pima County reaped the largest share of the economic impact in Arizona, with more than 36% of the $2.7 billion in statewide spending occurring here.
* Metro Tucson reaped a $968.7 million direct economic benefit from Mexican tourists from July 2007 through June 2008.


Before the band wagoners appear, yes she has other valid claims, but to add something like this, does not go well with her credibility.

[tc86gn]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Here is a perfect example of "bending the truth". Brewer is not helping her case, by making claims not even her state can validate.

Coroners cant back Brewer beheadings claim

More claims from the article:

Brewer- 87% of immigrants crossing have criminal records
**Feds can not confirm, and Brewer's administration can't provide a source.**

Brewer claims parents are keeping their children home from school out fear.
Can anyone verify that?

Brewer- States majority of illegals crossing are "drug mules"

89% of immigrants are charged with "illegal entry"
5% of immigrants are charged with drug trafficking



The Border Patrol Union supports the bill and they don't support this claim.

An interesting side not on the financial impact Mexicans, both legal and illegal, have on Arizona.

Mexican Visitors to Arizona: Visitor Characteristics and Economic Impacts 2007-2008

* Each day, visitors from Mexico spent $7.3 million in Arizona stores, restaurants, hotels and other businesses... Over 5 percent of taxable sales in Pima County were attributable to the Mexican visitors.
* Pima County reaped the largest share of the economic impact in Arizona, with more than 36% of the $2.7 billion in statewide spending occurring here.
* Metro Tucson reaped a $968.7 million direct economic benefit from Mexican tourists from July 2007 through June 2008.


Before the band wagoners appear, yes she has other valid claims, but to add something like this, does not go well with her credibility.

[salvageV6]

Our lying leftwing Governor said an income tax was like "dumping fuel on a fire" during his campaign, and of course once he got elected he imposed one.

Get over it.

[KITT1983]

Originally Posted by salvageV6

Our lying leftwing Governor said an income tax was like "dumping fuel on a fire" during his campaign, and of course once he got elected he imposed one.

Get over it.

just like deval patrick he said he would repeal the property taxes but behold he raised almost every tax on the books and created some new ones

mitt romney increased the gas tax and removed the safeguards that would prevent corruption not the gas tax gos into the politicians pockets

[whitehot84]

* Each day, visitors from Mexico spent $7.3 million in Arizona stores, restaurants, hotels and other businesses... Over 5 percent of taxable sales in Pima County were attributable to the Mexican visitors.
* Pima County reaped the largest share of the economic impact in Arizona, with more than 36% of the $2.7 billion in statewide spending occurring here.
* Metro Tucson reaped a $968.7 million direct economic benefit from Mexican tourists from July 2007 through June 2008.

These are legal people coming across the border to work. They go home every night and tourists too.. They haven't sneaked in. These are not the people who are causing problems and are not reference in the bill.

[tc86gn]

Originally Posted by whitehot84

These are legal people coming across the border to work. They go home every night and tourists too.. They haven't sneaked in. These are not the people who are causing problems and are not reference in the bill.

Hey. That's enough of that common sense stuff. You are going to confuse people!!

[injdinjn]

There was a documentary a few years ago.
They were talking to a Mexican at a PO Box check cashing place near the border. He was up here picking up US govt welfare checks and cashing them for 5 families living in mexico. When asked if he thought it was wrong, he shrugged and said, well if they want to give it to us.

Another scene showed a field with a path towards the fence along the border with a big hole in it.
A US school bus pulls up and a bunch of mexican kids run thru the fence into the bus and off to a US school, where there are given info on numerous subsidies to poor families. residency in the US is not verified.

[whitehot84]

Originally Posted by tc86gn

Hey. That's enough of that common sense stuff. You are going to confuse people!!

OOPS ! Sorry.

There was a documentary a few years ago.
They were talking to a Mexican at a PO Box check cashing place near the border. He was up here picking up US govt welfare checks and cashing them for 5 families living in mexico. When asked if he thought it was wrong, he shrugged and said, well if they want to give it to us.

Another scene showed a field with a path towards the fence along the border with a big hole in it.
A US school bus pulls up and a bunch of mexican kids run thru the fence into the bus and off to a US school, where there are given info on numerous subsidies to poor families. residency in the US is not verified.

And this is a surprise to whom?????
Don't worry! Washington will take care of it.

[818GN]

Originally Posted by whitehot84

These are legal people coming across the border to work. They go home every night and tourists too.. They haven't sneaked in. These are not the people who are causing problems and are not reference in the bill.

Guess you didn't read far enough down. Here, let me show where it says both legal and illegals were referenced.

So it should come as no surprise that Tucson businesses are sensitive to the loss of sales resulting from Mexicans - both here legally and illegally - staying away from Arizona, boycott or not, because of the demagogic rhetoric emanating from Arizona politicians indiscriminately demonizing all Mexicans and creating a hostile environment. Jan Brewer, John McCain and Russell Pearce have done more to harm Arizona economically with their outlandish (and false) claims than any boycott effort.

Since you do not have to show proof of citizenship at the register (I am sure that's going to be next in Arizona), there is no way to differentiate who spends what amongst a race, legal or illegal.

Interesting side note:

Cost of War
The cost of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is now at $1.05 Trillion dollars since 01/02. Wonder how much of impact that has on our country? I think we could have used an extra $1 Trillion dollars to better this place, maybe even fight the immigration issue, don't you?

But then again, it's these darn immigrants that are sucking all the money dry.

[BlownZ]

Here we go with the war BS.......why does every toolbag that strolls through this forum try to use that argument?

[KITT1983]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Here we go with the war BS.......why does every toolbag that strolls through this forum try to use that argument?

It is really simple blownz, Bush lie people die

I can not believe how many white moonbats protested Governor Brewer in Boston today, I had to scrap off so many flip flops, soviet emblems, peace signs, and flowers of my bumper on my way to work.

FOXNews.com - Immigrant Advocates Protest Arizona Gov. Brewer at Boston Meeting

[whitehot84]

Originally Posted by KITT1983

It is really simple blownz, Bush lie people die

I can not believe how many white moonbats protested Governor Brewer in Boston today, I had to scrap off so many flip flops, soviet emblems, peace signs, and flowers of my bumper on my way to work.

FOXNews.com - Immigrant Advocates Protest Arizona Gov. Brewer at Boston Meeting

They bussed them in. I would bet that not 10 people out of that crowd could tell you what is in the bill yet they are dead set against it. They had to be bussed in. I find that ironic.

[KITT1983]

Originally Posted by whitehot84

They bussed them in. I would bet that not 10 people out of that crowd could tell you what is in the bill yet they are dead set against it. They had to be bussed in. I find that ironic.

dude you under estimate the repbulic of cambridge

Protesters blast Arizona's governor at Boston meeting

[whitehot84]

This is one of the best posts I have seen on this subject.

It has been federal law since 1940 that a work visa or naturalization paperwork must be carried at all times.

We expect the law to keep a person secure in their own home, or at least to respond accordingly if the home is invaded in an illegal manner, why then should a nation not have the same expectation of security?

It is not enough simply to strengthen our broken borders. When armor is pierced by a poisoned blade it is not enough to simply repair the armor, one must also remove the poison already in the body.

Nationality and race are not synonymous. The US is a nation which hosts a citizenry drawn from a vast range of cultural and racial backgrounds. Why then are those who wish to maintain the sovereignty of the most ethnically diverse nation in the history of the world are being labeled racist?

Every provision of SB 1070 states that the law must comply with all federal regulations and that race cannot be used as a factor for determining citizenship. Protesting this law on the basis that it will lead to racial profiling is not actually protesting against SB 1070, it is simply saying “I don’t trust the police”.

And this is from a Bostonian

[Chuck Leeper]

from da chimp's AG...
FOXNews.com - Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

[whitehot84]

It appears that Holder has already admitted defeat with this law suit. He's planning his next move later based on racism. I want to know what they plan to do if they somehow win. If Arizona tells them to stick their judgment where the sun don't shine are they going to send in the storm troopers. Do they have enough new black panther party members to accomplish this.

[818GN]

Originally Posted by whitehot84

It appears that Holder has already admitted defeat with this law suit. He's planning his next move later based on racism. I want to know what they plan to do if they somehow win. If Arizona tells them to stick their judgment where the sun don't shine are they going to send in the storm troopers. Do they have enough new black panther party members to accomplish this.

Your spinning things out of context. Holder is saying that if there is evidence, down the road, of racial profiling, then they will file suit. He is not admitting defeat. The Constitutional argument is pretty sound and clear in it's wording.

"It doesn't mean that if the law for whatever reason happened to go into effect, that six months from now, a year from now, we might not look at the impact the law has had ... and see whether or not there has been that racial profiling impact," Holder said. "If that was the case, we would have the tools and we would bring suit on that basis."

Yes the law prohibits racial profiling, however (by sheer coincidence) it targets one race in Arizona. So, down the road, if there are numerous complaints/lawsuits/etc of racial profiling, then yes, Holder will step in.

[whitehot84]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Your spinning things out of context. Holder is saying that if there is evidence, down the road, of racial profiling, then they will file suit. He is not admitting defeat. The Constitutional argument is pretty sound and clear in it's wording.

OK, We read things different.

Quote:
"It doesn't mean that if the law for whatever reason happened to go into effect, that six months from now, a year from now, we might not look at the impact the law has had ... and see whether or not there has been that racial profiling impact," Holder said. "If that was the case, we would have the tools and we would bring suit on that basis."

Yes the law prohibits racial profiling, however (by sheer coincidence) it targets one race in Arizona. So, down the road, if there are numerous complaints/lawsuits/etc of racial profiling, then yes, Holder will step in.

It targets one race does it. Point that out to me in the law. I would say that if a white guy who makes an illegal u-turn or is seen buying crack on the street is stopped and his English is suspect or he has no identification, he may be asked to produce some proof of status.
Also, maybe you haven't heard or just don't get it but Arizona shares a border with MEXICO

[818GN]

OK, We read things different.

Nothing was mentioned or referenced to any type of "defeat". Holder and the DOJ are quite confident in their argument. So yes, we do read things differently. I guess these people read things "differently" too.

Experts: SB1070 unlikely to survive
Police may have hard time making SB1070 cases

It targets one race does it. Point that out to me in the law. I would say that if a white guy who makes an illegal u-turn or is seen buying crack on the street is stopped and his English is suspect or he has no identification, he may be asked to produce some proof of status.
Also, maybe you haven't heard or just don't get it but Arizona shares a border with MEXICO

Of course law does not say they will use racial profiling. However, Gov. Brewer has made it known that it will target "illegals". Since it shares a border with Mexico (thanks for the Geography lesson BTW), then most people target would be Mexican, by coincidence, of course. All it takes is a consistent pattern, over a few months, to prove this.

BTW, have you read about the training materials? Here is what they are trained to look for:

Implementation of the 2010 Arizona Immigration Laws
FACTORS WHICH MAY BE CONSIDERED, AMONG OTHERS, IN DEVELOPING REASONABLE SUSPICION OF UNLAWFUL PRESENCE

-Lack of identification (if otherwise required by law)
-Possession of foreign identification
-Flight and/or preparation for flight

-Engaging in evasive maneuvers, in vehicle, on foot, etc.
-Voluntary statements by the person regarding his or her citizenship or unlawful presence
Note that if the person is in custody for purposes of Miranda, he or she may not be questioned about immigration status until after the reading and waiver of Miranda rights.

-Foreign vehicle registration
-Counter-surveillance or lookout activity
-In company of other unlawfully present aliens
-Location, including for example:
A place where unlawfully present aliens are known to congregate looking for work
A location known for human smuggling or known smuggling routes

-Traveling in tandem
-Vehicle is overcrowded or rides heavily
-Passengers in vehicle attempt to hide or avoid detection
-Prior information about the person
-Inability to provide his or her residential address
-Claim of not knowing others in same vehicle or at same location
-Providing inconsistent or illogical information
-Dress
-Demeanor – for example, unusual or unexplained nervousness, erratic behavior, refusal to make eye contact
-Significant difficulty communicating in English

The factors officers are being trained to consider in determining an SB1070 violation leave the door open to a legal challenge. Unfortunately, legal Mexican/US Citizens will be detained as well, further complicating the issue.

It is a good start, just not a legally sound one.

[Chuck Leeper]

The message has been well communicated.[Similar to a judge ordering the jury to disregard the testimony!!]
U R here illegally, gtfo...

AIRC, 818 says he's in the "wireless communication business". Could be he's wanting it struck down, so his throw away cell business won't tank!

As far as a new suit.. That's a no brainer. Just 1 wetback calls one of his "lefty protectors", and Eric and his troopers will be ready in an instant.They'll find LOTS of complainers, just like they did with the felons voting in MN..

[whitehot84]

Originally Posted by 818GN

Nothing was mentioned or referenced to any type of "defeat". Holder and the DOJ are quite confident in their argument. So yes, we do read things differently. I guess these people read things "differently" too.

Experts: SB1070 unlikely to survive
Police may have hard time making SB1070 cases


Of course law does not say they will use racial profiling. However, Gov. Brewer has made it known that it will target "illegals". Since it shares a border with Mexico (thanks for the Geography lesson BTW), then most people target would be Mexican, by coincidence, of course. All it takes is a consistent pattern, over a few months, to prove this.

BTW, have you read about the training materials? Here is what they are trained to look for:

Implementation of the 2010 Arizona Immigration Laws
FACTORS WHICH MAY BE CONSIDERED, AMONG OTHERS, IN DEVELOPING REASONABLE SUSPICION OF UNLAWFUL PRESENCE

-Lack of identification (if otherwise required by law)
-Possession of foreign identification
-Flight and/or preparation for flight

-Engaging in evasive maneuvers, in vehicle, on foot, etc.
-Voluntary statements by the person regarding his or her citizenship or unlawful presence
Note that if the person is in custody for purposes of Miranda, he or she may not be questioned about immigration status until after the reading and waiver of Miranda rights.

-Foreign vehicle registration
-Counter-surveillance or lookout activity
-In company of other unlawfully present aliens
-Location, including for example:
A place where unlawfully present aliens are known to congregate looking for work
A location known for human smuggling or known smuggling routes

-Traveling in tandem
-Vehicle is overcrowded or rides heavily
-Passengers in vehicle attempt to hide or avoid detection
-Prior information about the person
-Inability to provide his or her residential address
-Claim of not knowing others in same vehicle or at same location
-Providing inconsistent or illogical information
-Dress
-Demeanor – for example, unusual or unexplained nervousness, erratic behavior, refusal to make eye contact
-Significant difficulty communicating in English

The factors officers are being trained to consider in determining an SB1070 violation leave the door open to a legal challenge. Unfortunately, legal Mexican/US Citizens will be detained as well, further complicating the issue.

It is a good start, just not a legally sound one.

How are these racial in nature?

[818GN]

Originally Posted by Chuck Leeper

The message has been well communicated.[Similar to a judge ordering the jury to disregard the testimony!!]
U R here illegally, gtfo...

AIRC, 818 says he's in the "wireless communication business". Could be he's wanting it struck down, so his throw away cell business won't tank!

As far as a new suit.. That's a no brainer. Just 1 wetback calls one of his "lefty protectors", and Eric and his troopers will be ready in an instant.They'll find LOTS of complainers, just like they did with the felons voting in MN..

Hmmmm..."wetback"? Wait aren't you the guy that refers to Obama as "the chimp".

Hold on....let me check some of your posts....yup thats you.

You got some notable quotes on here, too.

tribute to "da chimp in charge"!
Or, is it an ongoing policy to "make it fit", by da chimp and co??
I hope he told da chimp to "take this job and shove it"!
"CIC"??? [Chimp in charge]....
and the list goes on.....

Wow, when I type in "Da Chimp" in the search bar, guess who pops up the most? Chuck.

Don't feel bad cuz you got company. Whitehot84 also like's to toss around "Da Chimp" term as well when referring to Obama.

But wait, there is no racism here, no no, not at all. Refering to a black man, whom happens to be president, as "Da Chimp", is perfectly normal, at least here, it seems.

We have all races doing fraud in Cali: Armenians doing insurance fraud, Middles Easterns doing Medicare/Medicaid fraud, Mexicans doing car accident fraud, Black people doing welfare fraud. The people doing the fraud are CITIZENS by a large majority, not so much the illegals.

So in other words, you opinion doesn't quite register with me, when your referring to another human being by those terms.