B.Hussein's DATE NIGHT in NYC....What do you think that cost taxpayers???

[IEATV8S]

Obamas' Date Night in New York City Draws Criticism - Political News - FOXNews.com

[SS_Sean]

A crap load. This is almost up there with air force one doing straffing runs on downtown Manhattan.

[whitehot1]

It will be viewed as a worthwhile trip and all will be forgiven by the democrats
because they will believe it was paid for by the republican taxpayers money only.


John

[rtviper]

Terrible judgement in this day of messed up economy. But will they let him go by himself? I wonder?

[IEATV8S]

Apparently, this little DATE to N.Y. cost the tax payer over 1 million dollars with security, shipping his Cadillac bulletproof and bombproof LIMO, having over 500 police and SS agents in attendance and NO COUNTING the COST and PROBLEMS it caused to the economy of N.Y.C., by all the street, and business's NOT being able to oporate!

He flys in a Chef from St. Louis, he's an ELITIST that is spending OUR MONEY like it was his, but he's the richest man in the world! He should try using some common sense!

Looks like they ALMOST got dressed up for the occasion! As the President of the U.S., would you ever go out without a tie and looking like this going to a public function?



Think the President's SUIT wouldn't look like something from the local thrift store,with all the wrinkles and pants NOT fitting him! Nice look CiC!!!!!

[whitehot1]

You can't compare Obama with a real candidate with political experiences before becoming president,what the hell does he know other than how to read from a teleprompter.

When a person with his lack of experience gets voted to be president you know something is seriously wrong with this country.

If a person wanted to ruin a country financially i think they would do just as obama is doing.

[slow87]

I think he should go out more often. The less time he spends in the oval office the better.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by whitehot1

You can't compare Obama with a real candidate with political experiences before becoming president,what the hell does he know other than how to read from a teleprompter.

When a person with his lack of experience gets voted to be president you know something is seriously wrong with this country.

If a person wanted to ruin a country financially i think they would do just as obama is doing.

You should wait before opening mouth as many economists are starting to say the economy might recover faster then expected and Obama might have done the right things so far. It's early

[whitehot1]

Originally Posted by rtviper

You should wait before opening mouth as many economists are starting to say the economy might recover faster then expected and Obama might have done the right things so far. It's early

STFU!!! I say what i want and think. You don't have to agree or even read what i write here and it's my mouth and i'll open it when ever it want.

When you have lost your job report back.

With the amount of businesses lost and more than 600,000 jobs being lost each week, yeah i can see the economy on it's way to recovery soon.

I see said the blind man.

[TurboDave]

Originally Posted by whitehot1

STFU!!! I say what i want and think. You don't have to agree or even read what i write here and it's my mouth and i'll open it when ever it want.

When you have lost your job report back.

With the amount of businesses lost and more than 600,000 jobs being lost each week, yeah i can see the economy on it's way to recovery soon.

I see said the blind man.

Agreed! rtviper is obviously living in "obamas world". Like whitehot says, when you loose your job and are unemployed for a few months come and talk to us that have. Otherwise let us speak our mind.

[WHEEZER]

Another perfect example of double standard lefty media. They crucified Palin for going overbudget on a wardrobe but it's somehow okay to blow a million bucks for dinner and a show. "Do as I say, not as I do" comes to mind.

[gyrhead]

Two sides to every coin.....


PERRspectives: Obama NYC Date Night Highlights Bush Vacation Record

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[rtviper]

Originally Posted by whitehot1

STFU!!! I say what i want and think. You don't have to agree or even read what i write here and it's my mouth and i'll open it when ever it want.

When you have lost your job report back.

With the amount of businesses lost and more than 600,000 jobs being lost each week, yeah i can see the economy on it's way to recovery soon.

I see said the blind man.

Lets see if I got this right I recomended you should wait untill the results are in as it appears the economy is showing signs of recovery and you tell me you can say what you want but I should STFU LMAO. Guess they let the right guy go at work.
Is that a double standard? I shouldn't say what I want and think? Yikes
And never say something if you have no idea what the answer is more ofter then not you will stick a foot in your mouth. I have lost my job about 7 months ago.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by TurboDave

Agreed! rtviper is obviously living in "obamas world". Like whitehot says, when you loose your job and are unemployed for a few months come and talk to us that have. Otherwise let us speak our mind.

Obama has a ways to go to match GW's record in the first few months.
Bush spent 42% of his 1st 7 months at either Camp David in Kennebunkport, or at his ranch, not returning untill Sep.,4,2001, guess what happened on Sept.11,2001 so it seems to be a better world to live in IMO

[GKMOZ]

Originally Posted by rtviper

Obama has a ways to go to match GW's record in the first few months.
Bush spent 42% of his 1st 7 months at either Camp David in Kennebunkport, or at his ranch, not returning untill Sep.,4,2001, guess what happened on Sept.11,2001 so it seems to be a better world to live in IMO

They work for the same people !! And that ain't the american public ! We all need to get off this dem/rep junk and pay attention to the things going on around US ! you/me the american people !! need to smartin up !!

[salvageV6]

If the Obama's went back to Kenya their home it wouldn't bother me.

Or Camp David.

But no they spent the big $$$ "working" in NYC on a 1 day spending spree.

Nice try at a comparison.

And for the Leftard, Camp David is NOWHERE NEAR Kennebunkport.

Idiots.

[Pronto]

Originally Posted by whitehot1

With the amount of businesses lost and more than 600,000 jobs being lost each week, yeah i can see the economy on it's way to recovery soon.

I see said the blind man.

I think you want to recheck that statistic. Today the market was up over 200 to over 8700. Sure the economy is not humming along great but it's stablized and showing some signs of life. It would be impossible for it to recover from this downturn in less time. We probably got another year or so just looking at previous lengths of downturns (not nearly this deep).

[V6 Beast]

Originally Posted by Pronto

I think you want to recheck that statistic. Today the market was up over 200 to over 8700. Sure the economy is not humming along great but it's stablized and showing some signs of life. It would be impossible for it to recover from this downturn in less time. We probably got another year or so just looking at previous lengths of downturns (not nearly this deep).

8700? What was it when Hussein took over again? He has has managed to add more to the national debt in 100 days then Bush did in 8 years fighting two wars and dealing with Katrina and 9/11

Don't worrry when Hussein starts up his socialized healthcare system or when the bills for all of his needless spending come due, you can kiss that pitiful little gain away along with the rest of your retirement. Look how well the socialized healthcare has work for the UK, Canada or Cuba. After trying it for 50 years in the UK, they finally had to let market-based (what we have) back in. Here are 50 or 100 newspaper articles about it. The Problems with Socialized Health Care

The Canadians come to the US for healthcare now. Cleveland is Canada's hip replacement center. The One Minute Case Against Socialized Healthcare | One Minute Cases

Where will we go is a very good question?

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by V6 Beast

8700? What was it when Hussein took over again? He has has managed to add more to the national debt in 100 days then Bush did in 8 years fighting two wars and dealing with Katrina and 9/11

Don't worrry when Hussein starts up his socialized healthcare system or when the bills for all of his needless spending come due, you can kiss that pitiful little gain away along with the rest of your retirement. Look how well the socialized healthcare has work for the UK, Canada or Cuba. After trying it for 50 years in the UK, they finally had to let market-based (what we have) back in. Here are 50 or 100 newspaper articles about it. The Problems with Socialized Health Care

The Canadians come to the US for healthcare now. Cleveland is Canada's hip replacement center. The One Minute Case Against Socialized Healthcare | One Minute Cases

Where will we go is a very good question?

I wonder if our system will slow down some when we all have health care. I would guess yes. I tried the other day to make an appointment with a specialist and all 4 I called said no problem soonest we can see you is july or August. We have similar issues. One of the problems we will just have to deal with once we all have medical care is a longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate. Canada, UK ,Cuba and France all with national Health Care all surpass the US in Life Expectancy and lower Infant Mortality Rate.
Worth the wait I would say

[V6 Beast]

Originally Posted by rtviper

I wonder if our system will slow down some when we all have health care. I would guess yes. I tried the other day to make an appointment with a specialist and all 4 I called said no problem soonest we can see you is july or August. We have similar issues. One of the problems we will just have to deal with once we all have medical care is a longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate. Canada, UK ,Cuba and France all with national Health Care all surpass the US in Life Expectancy and lower Infant Mortality Rate.
Worth the wait I would say

You think the life expectancy is solely dependent on healthcare system? That is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. Life expectancy is a very complicated statistic and it certainly can not solely be based on Healthcare system. The US has one of the highest obesity rates in the world and that certainly is a much bigger factor than healthcare system. That is because our system has the resource and allows people to be fat and lazy and have it paid for by the ones that work hard. Soon healthcare will be one more thing we won't have to work for to have.
BTW the life expectancy of a white male at Birth (which I am) is higher in the US than Canada, UK, Cuba and France. In fact there are only 4 countries with higher life expectancies.
For me, if I am not free to choose who I want to treat my illness, to research and find who I think is the best qualified and most competent to treat me, to also research and choose the best treatment path, if I have to go to the doctor the government chooses at the time they choose and take whatever they think is the best treatment then I don't care if you pay me to take it, it isn't worth ****!

[injdinjn]

wait untill the results are in as it appears the economy is showing signs of recovery

WTF planet are you on? Tell me where. Tell my son, hes been unemployed, along with about 1000 others in his profession around here) for 5 months now and no end in sight (hes a college grad with a professional license). My business is so good Im working 1 day a month.

Nationalized health care.
My sister-in law is a citizen of Austria. Took the Drs 5 years to find she had a tick in her skull. Just took them 3 years of blood tests etc to find out she is enimic. F'k nationalized health care.

If the govt is so good at running things why are they still subsidizing AMTRAK after 40 years and $10 billion.

The more govt we have the worse this Country gets.

[BoostedEvIL]

Well it looked like the people of New York were interested in seeing the fanfare of what is the POTUS. Really whats worse, spending too much on the bailout or not spending enough? My biggest problem with him so far is I think that he should have forced GM and Crysler into bankruptcy back in Feb. I do think that would have saved us some $$$. Especially after that whole showing up in private jets fiasco. Other than that, he's doing what expected.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by V6 Beast

You think the life expectancy is solely dependent on healthcare system? That is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. Life expectancy is a very complicated statistic and it certainly can not solely be based on Healthcare system. The US has one of the highest obesity rates in the world and that certainly is a much bigger factor than healthcare system. That is because our system has the resource and allows people to be fat and lazy and have it paid for by the ones that work hard. Soon healthcare will be one more thing we won't have to work for to have.
BTW the life expectancy of a white male at Birth (which I am) is higher in the US than Canada, UK, Cuba and France. In fact there are only 4 countries with higher life expectancies.
For me, if I am not free to choose who I want to treat my illness, to research and find who I think is the best qualified and most competent to treat me, to also research and choose the best treatment path, if I have to go to the doctor the government chooses at the time they choose and take whatever they think is the best treatment then I don't care if you pay me to take it, it isn't worth ****!

I wonder whats dumber, a true statement or one that's kinda Republican like, you know a distortion of the truth?
The US is 45th in life expectancy at birth. Of the 44 Countries higher, 19 of them have some form of National health Care. All of the 44 Countries higher on the list also have higher life expectancy for their male population then the US.
I think your fears of Health Care Coverage might be similar to your thinking about the life expectancy by Country. Of the Countries I mentioned originally all of them except Cuba did indeed exceed the US as told.
Cuba did fall below the US in Life Expectancy.

[injdinjn]

I tried the other day to make an appointment with a specialist and all 4 I called said no problem soonest we can see you is july or August.

Thats this year, in Canada it would be next year or the year after.
When a Canadian, relating the greatness of Canadian socialized medicine was asked about the 1 & 2 year waits to see specialists his reply was "That saves the system money by assuring that only those really needing to see a specialist sees one". He didnt mention all those who died waiting for a appointment.

If the govt is so good at running things, why is AMTRAK still govt subsidized. 40 years ago AMTRAK was given $340 million and was to be profitable in 5 years, now 40 years and $10 billion later its still a blood sucking dependent.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by injdinjn

Thats this year, in Canada it would be next year or the year after.
When a Canadian, relating the greatness of Canadian socialized medicine was asked about the 1 & 2 year waits to see specialists his reply was "That saves the system money by assuring that only those really needing to see a specialist sees one". He didnt mention all those who died waiting for a appointment.

If the govt is so good at running things, why is AMTRAK still govt subsidized. 40 years ago AMTRAK was given $340 million and was to be profitable in 5 years, now 40 years and $10 billion later its still a blood sucking dependent.

Not much of anything in the US is run good. The lack of Gov involvement or regulations is what got us into this mess. When left on his own man has shown to be greedy and dishonest. I dont fear Government involvement in things we are the Government. Hell we have been relying on the Gov. for years. The Post Office, Police Dept., and Fire Dept come to mind as being Gov run. Beside its our money.
Were the Banks being run good? The Insurance Co's? How about Enron or Adelphia, AOL Time Warner, Arthur Anderson, Bristol Myers, CMS Energy, Duke Energy, Haliburton, Mercyk Qwest and Xerox just some of the large companies hit with scandal's and illegal activity.
Man is dishonest and having owned several businesses I have been on the receiving end of this greed and dishonesty for many years.

[V6 Beast]

Originally Posted by rtviper

I wonder whats dumber, a true statement or one that's kinda Republican like, you know a distortion of the truth?
The US is 45th in life expectancy at birth. Of the 44 Countries higher, 19 of them have some form of National health Care. All of the 44 Countries higher on the list also have higher life expectancy for their male population then the US.
I think your fears of Health Care Coverage might be similar to your thinking about the life expectancy by Country. Of the Countries I mentioned originally all of them except Cuba did indeed exceed the US as told.
Cuba did fall below the US in Life Expectancy.

Just ignore the fact and replies and just keep pumping out BS.

So no reply to the fact that the US is fatter than everyone of those countries you talked about and it is a proven fact that fat people die sooner than healthy people?

Of the 44 Countires with higher life expectancies, 25 of them do NOT have national helathcare. 25 seems better than 19 to me. No comment on the fact that for a white male the life expectancy in the US is higher than 160 countires polled including every single one you mentioned? What about the 200 other factors that go into life expectancy. Don't those have any influence or is it just Healthcare?

You even been to VA hospital?? That is what you can expect from National Healthcare. It is an embarassment. The goverment is doing such a great job now running our country into the ground why not let them do the same for healthcare?

Most importantly how the hell do you expect to pay for national helathcare when the national debt has already higher int he 1st 100 days that in the history of the world.

Finally mr. Left wing, what about choice? Don't you want to choose who takes care of you instead of the goverment just telling you who to see and when?

Btw it was the left wing that has taken the goverment regulations out that allowed the housing, banking and insurance markets to all collapse. If you don't believe me do a little research in the Bill Clinton and the Glass-Stegal act.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by V6 Beast

Just ignore the fact and replies and just keep pumping out BS.

So no reply to the fact that the US is fatter than everyone of those countries you talked about and it is a proven fact that fat people die sooner than healthy people?

Of the 44 Countires with higher life expectancies, 25 of them do NOT have national helathcare. 25 seems better than 19 to me. No comment on the fact that for a white male the life expectancy in the US is higher than 160 countires polled including every single one you mentioned? What about the 200 other factors that go into life expectancy. Don't those have any influence or is it just Healthcare?

You even been to VA hospital?? That is what you can expect from National Healthcare. It is an embarassment. The goverment is doing such a great job now running our country into the ground why not let them do the same for healthcare?

Most importantly how the hell do you expect to pay for national helathcare when the national debt has already higher int he 1st 100 days that in the history of the world.

Finally mr. Left wing, what about choice? Don't you want to choose who takes care of you instead of the goverment just telling you who to see and when?

Btw it was the left wing that has taken the goverment regulations out that allowed the housing, banking and insurance markets to all collapse. If you don't believe me do a little research in the Bill Clinton and the Glass-Stegal act.

What part of the fact that the average age of the male population in the US as of 2008 is 75.05 years old, is not understood? All of the Countries I mentioned have a longer Life expectancy at birth then the US, all 44 of them. Thanks for proving my point by breaking out the White male from the rest of the population and showing he has a higher life expectancy then all other males. It is safe to say the white male in the US has a much higher percentage coverd by a health care plan even though they are most likely among the most obese of the male population.
The US spends over 2.5 Trillion a year in health care and is one of the most inefficient systems on earth. This equate to $7900.00 per person a year.
Seem to me the costs are already being spent unless our system is so screwed up you can't find coverage for everyone on $7900.00 or less per year?
As for obesity the female has a higher percentage yet lives longer then males. The non-hispanic black has a noticable lower percentage of overweight and obese yet have a lower life expectancy, if your numbers about white males is correct. It's safe to say they also have a much lower % covered by a health care plan. Seems like Health care is a better indicator of longevity.

[Weester]

Originally Posted by V6 Beast

Just ignore the fact and replies and just keep pumping out BS.

So no reply to the fact that the US is fatter than everyone of those countries you talked about and it is a proven fact that fat people die sooner than healthy people?

Of the 44 Countires with higher life expectancies, 25 of them do NOT have national helathcare. 25 seems better than 19 to me. No comment on the fact that for a white male the life expectancy in the US is higher than 160 countires polled including every single one you mentioned? What about the 200 other factors that go into life expectancy. Don't those have any influence or is it just Healthcare?

You even been to VA hospital?? That is what you can expect from National Healthcare. It is an embarassment. The goverment is doing such a great job now running our country into the ground why not let them do the same for healthcare?

Most importantly how the hell do you expect to pay for national helathcare when the national debt has already higher int he 1st 100 days that in the history of the world.

Finally mr. Left wing, what about choice? Don't you want to choose who takes care of you instead of the goverment just telling you who to see and when?

Btw it was the left wing that has taken the goverment regulations out that allowed the housing, banking and insurance markets to all collapse. If you don't believe me do a little research in the Bill Clinton and the Glass-Stegal act.

Dont pick on the VA!!! I received better treatment at the VA here in San Diego then the treatment I receive now through Kaiser....

Why are Americans FAT??? Can you spell MCDONALDS/BURGER KING/JACK-IN-THE-BOX? We have become fast food junkies!

[V6 Beast]

Originally Posted by rtviper

What part of the fact that the average age of the male population in the US as of 2008 is 75.05 years old, is not understood? All of the Countries I mentioned have a longer Life expectancy at birth then the US, all 44 of them. Thanks for proving my point by breaking out the White male from the rest of the population and showing he has a higher life expectancy then all other males. It is safe to say the white male in the US has a much higher percentage coverd by a health care plan even though they are most likely among the most obese of the male population.
The US spends over 2.5 Trillion a year in health care and is one of the most inefficient systems on earth. This equate to $7900.00 per person a year.
Seem to me the costs are already being spent unless our system is so screwed up you can't find coverage for everyone on $7900.00 or less per year?
As for obesity the female has a higher percentage yet lives longer then males. The non-hispanic black has a noticable lower percentage of overweight and obese yet have a lower life expectancy, if your numbers about white males is correct. It's safe to say they also have a much lower % covered by a health care plan. Seems like Health care is a better indicator of longevity.

All 44 have higher life expectancies but less than half of them have national healthcare. Thanks for making my point I could not have shown any clearer that national healthcare has little to no affect on life expectancy. Actually in the US we spend $6096 per person not $7900. Cuba spends $290.

Maybe black males have shorter life expectancies because their obesity rate is nearly double of white males. ( 23% versus 13%)
What you typed below is just plain inaccurate.

The non-Hispanic black has a noticeable lower percentage of overweight and obese yet have a lower life expectancy, if your numbers about white
males is correct.

Some facts to help you out.

In 2004, the obesity rate among non-Hispanic Black adults (32.7%) was one-and-a-half times the rate among non-Hispanic Whites (22.1%).

Not only are the obesity rates higher in both the African American and Hispanic populations, but consequentially there is also a higher rate of obesity related disease among these populations as well. (American Obesity Association- 2009)

Your right if you ignore the truth and just make up stats to support your position then it is a very good indicator. However if you have to look at actual data it paints a very different story.

So what about Choice? From all your statements I take you that you are perfectly happy giving up all choices for health care? You will just accept whatever doctor they assign and whatever treatment he deems best, no second opinions and they will treat you on their time frame. That is all perfectly OK with you?

One other question for you, the UK had national healthcare for over 50 years. Why do you think they started allowing commercial health back in 1998?

[Weester]

Originally Posted by V6 Beast

All 44 have higher life expectancies but less than half of them have national healthcare. Thanks for making my point I could not have shown any clearer that national healthcare has little to no affect on life expectancy. Actually in the US we spend $6096 per person not $7900. Cuba spends $290.

Maybe black males have shorter life expectancies because their obesity rate is nearly double of white males. ( 23% versus 13%)
What you typed below is just plain innacurate.

The non-hispanic black has a noticable lower percentage of overweight and obese yet have a lower life expectancy, if your numbers about white
males is correct.

Some facts to help.

In 2004, the obesity rate among non-Hispanic Black adults (32.7%) was one-and-a-half times the rate among non-Hispanic Whites (22.1%).

Not only are the obesity rates higher in both the African American and Hispanic populations, but consequentially there is also a higher rate of obesity related disease among these populations as well. (American Obesity Association- 2009)

Your right if you ignore the truth and just make up stats to support your position then it is a very good indicator. However if you have to look at actual data it paints a very different story.

So what about Choice. From all your statements I take you that you are perfectly happy giving up all choices for health care? You will just accept whatever doctor they assign and whatever treatment he deems best, no second opinions and they will treat you on their time frame. That is all perfectly OK with you?

One other question for you, the UK had national healthcare for over 50 years. Why do you think they started allowing commercial health back in 1998?

Ignorance is the real culprit regarding obesity!! Education and Diet will cure the issue which in turn will lower our cost of healthcare!

[salvageV6]

" Ignorance is the real culprit regarding obesity!! Education and Diet will cure the issue which in turn will lower our cost of healthcare. "

And the GOVT. will force "them" to be fit, right?

Another leftard lie.

Education and diet would work wonders for our current system as well.

But it doesn't, because the govt. and lying lefties haven't taken over your eating habits just yet.

They've tried real hard with smokers however but the financial discentives are the biggest reason smokers quit.

Maybe education will teach liars to tell the truth as well as instill some common sense.

[Weester]

Originally Posted by salvageV6

" Ignorance is the real culprit regarding obesity!! Education and Diet will cure the issue which in turn will lower our cost of healthcare. "

And the GOVT. will force "them" to be fit, right?

Another leftard lie.

Education and diet would work wonders for our current system as well.

But it doesn't, because the govt. and lying lefties haven't taken over your eating habits just yet.

They've tried real hard with smokers however but the financial discentives are the biggest reason smokers quit.

Maybe education will teach liars to tell the truth as well as instill some common sense.

I always look foward to your inciteful comments, there is so much to learn from a person with the command of the english language such as yourself.




Less Government...................More Parenting!!!

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by V6 Beast

All 44 have higher life expectancies but less than half of them have national healthcare. Thanks for making my point I could not have shown any clearer that national healthcare has little to no affect on life expectancy. Actually in the US we spend $6096 per person not $7900. Cuba spends $290.

Maybe black males have shorter life expectancies because their obesity rate is nearly double of white males. ( 23% versus 13%)
What you typed below is just plain inaccurate.

The non-Hispanic black has a noticeable lower percentage of overweight and obese yet have a lower life expectancy, if your numbers about white
males is correct.

Some facts to help you out.
In 2004, the obesity rate among non-Hispanic Black adults (32.7%) was one-and-a-half times the rate among non-Hispanic Whites (22.1%).

Not only are the obesity rates higher in both the African American and Hispanic populations, but consequentially there is also a higher rate of obesity related disease among these populations as well. (American Obesity Association- 2009)

Your right if you ignore the truth and just make up stats to support your position then it is a very good indicator. However if you have to look at actual data it paints a very different story.

So what about Choice? From all your statements I take you that you are perfectly happy giving up all choices for health care? You will just accept whatever doctor they assign and whatever treatment he deems best, no second opinions and they will treat you on their time frame. That is all perfectly OK with you?

One other question for you, the UK had national healthcare for over 50 years. Why do you think they started allowing commercial health back in 1998?

You said earlier the Fat die younger, but when it comes time to back up the remark with facts you chose to distort the numbers by excluding most of the fat people. Instead of posting the fact that more US white males are overweight then Black's you chose to use the obese number. I guess you really didn't mean fat people die earlier? Only those with a BMI over 30 die earlier. LOL
The US Dept. of Health and Human Services says whites have a higher % of overweight as of 2006. Link: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus08.pdf#075
I guess its just a coincidence that 19 countries with some National Health care live longer then the richest, mightiest nation on Earth in spite of their resources or lack of.
As for choice its all the same now. If you belong to HMO you have a procedure you follow. If a Doc. is not on thier list you must use someone else.
I have belonged to several different plans over the years and choice has never been an issue with me. I have changed Doctors on several occasions because my plan required it. I still was treated, thats better then about 60 million people in the US.
As to your remark why do the stats paint a different story I haven't noticed that. White male in the US is fatter then the black male, my original contention

[SGRIM]

Originally Posted by Weester

Ignorance is the real culprit regarding obesity!! Education and Diet will cure the issue which in turn will lower our cost of healthcare!

Ignorance is the culprit of obesity

Has nothing to do with ignorance, alot to do with what you eat, how much you eat, how much movement you make, and can be hereditary...

This one you can not argue with me on

[Weester]

Originally Posted by SGRIM

Ignorance is the culprit of obesity

Has nothing to do with ignorance, alot to do with what you eat, how much you eat, how much movement you make, and can be hereditary...

This one you can not argue with me on

Yes I can.......................

People are ignorant of the consequences of eating foods high in fats and sugar, ie: junk and fast foods!

People that are educated to these FACTS eat better.