In support of EVOLUTION

[faster]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Nobody has true faith to start off with.

You are taught true faith.

You are taught to be evil.

You are taught to be obnoxious.

You are taught to be witty and wise.

Have you raised kids?

They have absolute faith in you as a parent initially and nobody taught it to them.

They do not play nice. They are always selfish right from the start. They first words are always either "mine" or "no". They are not taught to be nasty they just are. You have to teach them to be nice.

You do not have to teach them to be wise and witty they learn to be liars very quickly all by themselves. They learn to get at what they want all by themselves.

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Why do you think religious people always feel the need to try and convince non-believers they are nuts?

Probably the same reason non-believers always try to convince Christians they are nuts.

Why can't everyone just accept that the other guys thinks differently than you and move on? I don't get it.

On this I agree with you.
God said "choose this day whom you will serve". Because of that statement I will fight for your right to believe anything you want. However, you do not get to force it down my throat or infringe it on my life.

Someone, does not get to tell my kids in school any lifestyle they want to follow is okay, don't listen to your parents. When my kids turn 18 they can investigate anything they want. Hopefully, I have taught them to look at all angles of an issue intelligently before they commit. Hopefully, they will look at the consequences to an action before they undertake it. Hopefully, they won't be self distructive.

Mikey

[SGRIM]

Originally Posted by Weester

Audie

Lets say they were both "white"!!!

Where did the other "colors" come from???

Two whites dont make a wong.........................

Who said they were white?

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by faster

Have you raised kids?

They have absolute faith in you as a parent initially and nobody taught it to them.

I disagree...they don't have faith...they simply have no choice. They can't get up and leave or walk away or do anything other than succumb to your wiles. By putting them on a regular feeding schedule and keeping them clean, warm and safe...they learn that you are good.

I get your point...but you're reaching....and reaching really really far.

They do not play nice. They are always selfish right from the start. They first words are always either "mine" or "no". They are not taught to be nasty they just are. You have to teach them to be nice.

You do not have to teach them to be wise and witty they learn to be liars very quickly all by themselves. They learn to get at what they want all by themselves.

You are contradicting yourself so what do I respond to.

They are trusting as babies but then turn into nasty kids that you do not have to each to be wise or witty but they do learn to be liars?

You couldn't contradict yourself any more if you intended to do it on purpose.

On this I agree with you.
God said "choose this day whom you will serve". Because of that statement I will fight for your right to believe anything you want. However, you do not get to force it down my throat or infringe it on my life.

Someone, does not get to tell my kids in school any lifestyle they want to follow is okay, don't listen to your parents. When my kids turn 18 they can investigate anything they want. Hopefully, I have taught them to look at all angles of an issue intelligently before they commit. Hopefully, they will look at the consequences to an action before they undertake it. Hopefully, they won't be self distructive.

Mikey

[The Blob]

Nasty and trusting aren't mutually exclusive traits.

[Weester]

Originally Posted by SGRIM

Who said they were white?

If they werent....Why are you white???

If they were black wouldnt all their offspring be black???

Bottom Line:

The only way it can be explained is through science/genetics/evolution!

[Rivical]

Spirituality does not equal Intellegence

Intellegence does not equal Spirituality

If you had Faith in your Spirituality you would realize that Intellegence cannot replace it. Nothing man can know or ever discover can equal the meaning of a higher power. In man's striving to be more godlike we have bred cattle, horses, dogs, fish, you name it and we'll manipulate it's being to more suit our needs. How can anyone deny that it never happened without our intervention? Random and selective mutation is fact. You Know That!

There's your proof of evolution in our time. We've MADE it happen. If we had the time and inclination I'm sure we could make giraffe's of horses without ever using a giraffe. Can't you agree?

Don't let those who wish to sell you your spirituality and their graven images convince you that GOD could be so simple and literal while you simultaniously argue the complexities of man on other threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Accept the facts that man continues to learn about the tangible and understand that they in no way relate to the spiritual and I believe you can become closer to Gods omnipresence.

[SGRIM]

Originally Posted by Weester

If they werent....Why are you white???

If they were black wouldnt all their offspring be black???

Bottom Line:

The only way it can be explained is through science/genetics/evolution!

Okay explain through science then. Why am I white?

Only thing I can figure you guys been wacthing to much SpongeBob You put a lot of stock into the little plankton guys

I guess according to your theory that the Tibetian Monks up there in the Mountians should eventually grow wings so they can fly down to the bottom for food

Lets see we now snakes have been crawling for 6000 years so I guess it is about time for a new species or one of them to start taking orders at the Burger King

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by SGRIM

Okay explain through science then. Why am I white?

Because you can't jump?

Have you seen skeletal remains of ancient man? It's obvious that it was a much different person than we are today. The skull shapes are different, the jaw lines are different, the bone size and density is different.

Could you not argue that this is evolution?

I think the topic is so complex that inevitably all we will have here are the Christians on one side stomping their feet and the evolutionists on the other side doing the same.

Someone said earlier that evolution and Christianity don't have to be mutually exclusive.....maybe they do....I don't really care either way so I don't really have a dog in the fight.

Does the bible acknowledge the existence of dinosaurs? Was man alive during the time of the dinosaurs?

If so...that had to suck.

Me personally....I find it hard to believe that man existed during that time....if so they were nothing more than lunch.

[Madcat455]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Me personally....I find it hard to believe that man existed during that time....if so they were nothing more than lunch.

Found video proof... that man hunted the dinosaur!!!!...

YouTube - Caveman

Also, further on in the vid.. it explains the sudden jump from primitive.. so that's why there's no missing link. it all happened over the course of 2hrs.

[SGRIM]

There are a few very logical explantions for dinosuars when taking the bible into account. I don't feel like explaining it, plenty of reseach on it...

All comes down to what you choose to belive I guess.

[Weester]

Originally Posted by Madcat455

Found video proof... that man hunted the dinosaur!!!!...

YouTube - Caveman

Also, further on in the vid.. it explains the sudden jump from primitive.. so that's why there's no missing link. it all happened over the course of 2hrs.

ROTFL.....Thanks for the chuckle!!

[Weester]

Originally Posted by SGRIM

Okay explain through science then. Why am I white?

Only thing I can figure you guys been wacthing to much SpongeBob You put a lot of stock into the little plankton guys

I guess according to your theory that the Tibetian Monks up there in the Mountians should eventually grow wings so they can fly down to the bottom for food

Lets see we now snakes have been crawling for 6000 years so I guess it is about time for a new species or one of them to start taking orders at the Burger King

Its called genetics and genetic mutations can and do sometimes result in evolutionary changes! Its pretty simple to see that these changes have been going on since the beginning of time on our planet.

The monk comment was cute but absurd! The human body was never meant to fly, its too heavy. Ever heard of a sugar glider?? Its a possum that can fly/glide up to 200 feet. Now ask yourself why it can do this!!! Evolutionary changes caused it...

As far as why you are white......ITS IN YOUR GENETICS!!! You didnt answer my question tho. If Adam and Eve were white, why are their so many color variations?? Did Adam and Eve carry the genetic material to produce all the different races/colors?

[SGRIM]

Originally Posted by Weester

Its called genetics and genetic mutations can and do sometimes result in evolutionary changes! Its pretty simple to see that these changes have been going on since the beginning of time on our planet.

The monk comment was cute but absurd! The human body was never meant to fly, its too heavy. Ever heard of a sugar glider?? Its a possum that can fly/glide up to 200 feet. Now ask yourself why it can do this!!! Evolutionary changes caused it...

As far as why you are white......ITS IN YOUR GENETICS!!! You didnt answer my question tho. If Adam and Eve were white, why are their so many color variations?? Did Adam and Eve carry the genetic material to produce all the different races/colors?

A freakin sugar glider Never heard of that one...

Okay you still got a possum right? So where is the original human then

Far as Adam and Eve I guess you need to re-read your book

[Weester]

Originally Posted by SGRIM

A freakin sugar glider Never heard of that one...

Okay you still got a possum right? So where is the original human then

Far as Adam and Eve I guess you need to re-read your book

Why do you keep coming back to the origin of man? Evolution is not just about humans! The whole world is evolving!! As I told you before, I dont know for sure where we came from, the jury is still out!

The initial post was about whale evolution and you turned it into a battle of Creationism vs Evolution!

Still waiting for an answer,

"As far as why you are white......ITS IN YOUR GENETICS!!! You didnt answer my question tho. If Adam and Eve were white, why are their so many color variations?? Did Adam and Eve carry the genetic material to produce all the different races/colors?"

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by Weester

"As far as why you are white......ITS IN YOUR GENETICS!!! You didnt answer my question tho. If Adam and Eve were white, why are their so many color variations?? Did Adam and Eve carry the genetic material to produce all the different races/colors?"

Oh no you didn't!!

Yep you did go there.

This should be good. Unless "he" bails like he did on the dinosaurs.

[SGRIM]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Oh no you didn't!!

Yep you did go there.

This should be good. Unless "he" bails like he did on the dinosaurs.

Okay on the dinosaurs, I am NO EXPERT. One of the theories is that yes they roamed the earth at the same time as man. Remember this is a big earth with what started as a small population. So what if the dinosaurs where on the other continents? I am asking a question but have they ever found Dinosaur bones around the Middle East?

Lets assume they were on different continents right? The bible speaks of Dragons right? Well what else would a dragon be other than a flying dinosaur?

None of us no exatcly what happened to them right? Was it an asteroid hit, an Ice age? Or could it have been a great flood Do we really 100% know what happened to them?

I guess as far as race goes there are a couple of different ways that could of happened or both IMO. First I thought, remember I said thought, that when able went off he found another "group" of people... Maybe wrong there Also remember Angles left heaven to come to earth to have sex with human females. Anybody seen the bones of the Giants that have been found? IE the purpose of the flood. However the impure blood line kept getting back with Satan's help... I have a book that has been around a lot longer than science to tell me this.

Now, you explain why their are different races with your evolution theory!

The gene code is nothing new. God made it thousands of years ago It took us silly men this long to even begin to understand it...

Weester I completely understand why Z and others that don't claim to be religious, I am not worthy of that calling either but, don't agree with me. Don't believe in the power of God. That is between them and their maker. However you defend Judaism to the core on political aspects of a religious debate but on this you discount that faith for science. I don't understand that...

[Weester]

Originally Posted by SGRIM

Okay on the dinosaurs, I am NO EXPERT. One of the theories is that yes they roamed the earth at the same time as man. Remember this is a big earth with what started as a small population. So what if the dinosaurs where on the other continents? I am asking a question but have they ever found Dinosaur bones around the Middle East?

Lets assume they were on different continents right? The bible speaks of Dragons right? Well what else would a dragon be other than a flying dinosaur?

None of us no exatcly what happened to them right? Was it an asteroid hit, an Ice age? Or could it have been a great flood Do we really 100% know what happened to them?

I guess as far as race goes there are a couple of different ways that could of happened or both IMO. First I thought, remember I said thought, that when able went off he found another "group" of people... Maybe wrong there Also remember Angles left heaven to come to earth to have sex with human females. Anybody seen the bones of the Giants that have been found? IE the purpose of the flood. However the impure blood line kept getting back with Satan's help... I have a book that has been around a lot longer than science to tell me this.

Now, you explain why their are different races with your evolution theory!

The gene code is nothing new. God made it thousands of years ago It took us silly men this long to even begin to understand it...

Weester I completely understand why Z and others that don't claim to be religious, I am not worthy of that calling either but, don't agree with me. Don't believe in the power of God. That is between them and their maker. However you defend Judaism to the core on political aspects of a religious debate but on this you discount that faith for science. I don't understand that...

Sgrim

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[Weester]

"Weester I completely understand why Z and others that don't claim to be religious, I am not worthy of that calling either but, don't agree with me. Don't believe in the power of God. That is between them and their maker. However you defend Judaism to the core on political aspects of a religious debate but on this you discount that faith for science. I don't understand that..."

When the Bible was written man was basically ignorant to science. Its 2000 years + since these documents were written and the world as man sees it has changed. I believe that Religion and Science can and do co-exist, therefor we have to be open to change. God created life on this planet, I just dont believe that it happened the way the Bible stated it. does this make me a bad Jew? I dont think so...............

Dont be so rigid in your beliefs!!!!

[BlownZ]

All Jews are bad.

Where have you been.

[turbo2nr]

Originally Posted by Weester

Its called genetics and genetic mutations can and do sometimes result in evolutionary changes! Its pretty simple to see that these changes have been going on since the beginning of time on our planet.

The monk comment was cute but absurd! The human body was never meant to fly, its too heavy. Ever heard of a sugar glider?? Its a possum that can fly/glide up to 200 feet. Now ask yourself why it can do this!!! Evolutionary changes caused it...

As far as why you are white......ITS IN YOUR GENETICS!!! You didnt answer my question tho. If Adam and Eve were white, why are their so many color variations?? Did Adam and Eve carry the genetic material to produce all the different races/colors?

Another human born with twelve toes and fingers recently.
YouTube - twelve toes

also there is a great interview at Comcast.net Home it's on the homepage in the news "fan".
This is passed down from parent to child. New gene may become a dominate trait!

[faster]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

I disagree...they don't have faith...they simply have no choice. They can't get up and leave or walk away or do anything other than succumb to your wiles. By putting them on a regular feeding schedule and keeping them clean, warm and safe...they learn that you are good.

I get your point...but you're reaching....and reaching really really far.


You are contradicting yourself so what do I respond to.

They are trusting as babies but then turn into nasty kids that you do not have to each to be wise or witty but they do learn to be liars?

You couldn't contradict yourself any more if you intended to do it on purpose.

Faith = Belief.
They believe you are going to take care of them. How hard is that to understand


I never said "They are trusting as babies but then turn into nasty kids that you do not have to teach to be wise or witty but they do learn to be liars?"

I said they trust you as a parent.

I said they are witty and wise all by themselves, they learn that telling a lie can get them what they want.

The two statements have nothing to do with each other. How can they be contradicting?

Mikey

[SGRIM]

You guys can put your trust in men, I will keep mine in God. I guess the feeling of the one on one connection I get with my Lord is nothing to you. I understand that if you have never felt that. The fact that I have just lets me know what is right and wrong. I never said science was a bad thing. However the theory of evolution is no more 100% concrete than the biblical account IMO. If you don't share that opinion I guess we will have to agree to disagree

Again as I have said numerous times it all comes down to your core beliefs...

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by faster

Faith = Belief.
They believe you are going to take care of them. How hard is that to understand

I guess as hard to understand as the concept of when they are born they don't have faith in you. They cry, they're scared, they have zero choice of whether or not to trust you because they can't fend for themselves.

The trust is learned from repetitive actions that show you are there to comfort and take care of them.

Seriously....it's not hard.

I never said "They are trusting as babies but then turn into nasty kids that you do not have to teach to be wise or witty but they do learn to be liars?"

I said they trust you as a parent.

I said they are witty and wise all by themselves, they learn that telling a lie can get them what they want.

The two statements have nothing to do with each other. How can they be contradicting?

Mikey

I have no idea.....I don't see whatever point you are trying to make....you are typing gibberish.

[WeAreVenom]

Evolution = theory
Creationism = theory

Get over it, live your lives, and quit trying to bash the opinions of others.

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by WeAreVenom

Evolution = theory
Creationism = theory

Get over it, live your lives, and quit trying to bash the opinions of others.

Hallelujah and amen.

[GKMOZ]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Hallelujah and amen.

Creationism = faith : Evolution is a slap in the face of christians,No different than the word n----r to some !! From where I sit, the secular world doesn't understand where we are coming from. It is "crazy' in their minds ! But I assure you its not !! I have lived the wordly life,and it aint what it seems ! The life I live now is Far Far superior an existence than I previously lived in the worldly system !!!! Most who don't understand what we try to say are not bible readers! So they have very little understanding of what the lord has truely said in his word. Thay believe that man can find the answers he is searching for ! I am not "putting' man down ! After all I am one ! But man thinks he is smart enough to figure out all things !! Impossible !! Look at your everyday lives sometimes ! things go wrong and your in a quandry !! But men with letters after their names think they have all the answers !! there are alot of people with those same letters after their names running this world ! Hows that going ?????????? Gary

[Weester]

Originally Posted by GKMOZ

Creationism = faith : Evolution is a slap in the face of christians,No different than the word n----r to some !! From where I sit, the secular world doesn't understand where we are coming from. It is "crazy' in their minds ! But I assure you its not !! I have lived the wordly life,and it aint what it seems ! The life I live now is Far Far superior an existence than I previously lived in the worldly system !!!! Most who don't understand what we try to say are not bible readers! So they have very little understanding of what the lord has truely said in his word. Thay believe that man can find the answers he is searching for ! I am not "putting' man down ! After all I am one ! But man thinks he is smart enough to figure out all things !! Impossible !! Look at your everyday lives sometimes ! things go wrong and your in a quandry !! But men with letters after their names think they have all the answers !! there are alot of people with those same letters after their names running this world ! Hows that going ?????????? Gary

How is Evolution a slap in the face for Christianity???? By your logic it would be a slap in the face for any religion!!!!!

Evolution in the animal kingdom is a fact..........

Gary have you ever studied Biology/Zoology/Paleontology/Anthropology etc etc???? Or do you just rely on quotes from the Bible???

[GKMOZ]

Originally Posted by Weester

How is Evolution a slap in the face for Christianity???? By your logic it would be a slap in the face for any religion!!!!!

Evolution in the animal kingdom is a fact..........

Gary have you ever studied Biology/Zoology/Paleontology/Anthropology etc etc???? Or do you just rely on quotes from the Bible???

No I haven't studied any of the ones mentioned ! But you miss my point again ! you focus on a certain subject or have tunnel vision ! My points are focused on Man as a whole !! Not specific ! And as aJew ? do you really believe in your old testement bible or NOT ?? Do you believe God directed men to write the words there in ?? How is evolution important to me or you in everyday life !! Is it as important as your eternity/well being/death/ daily cares/family etc. ?? Like RedT says in some of his posts, We are being distracted into unimportant matters to ponder ! while being broght low in the important matters! We are in a very important point in our history and here we are yapping about creation vs evolution !I know this is just a discussion, But How important is it ?? IMHO Gary

[Weester]

Originally Posted by GKMOZ

No I haven't studied any of the ones mentioned ! But you miss my point again ! you focus on a certain subject or have tunnel vision ! My points are focused on Man as a whole !! Not specific ! And as aJew ? do you really believe in your old testement bible or NOT ?? Do you believe God directed men to write the words there in ?? How is evolution important to me or you in everyday life !! Is it as important as your eternity/well being/death/ daily cares/family etc. ?? Like RedT says in some of his posts, We are being distracted into unimportant matters to ponder ! while being broght low in the important matters! We are in a very important point in our history and here we are yapping about creation vs evolution !I know this is just a discussion, But How important is it ?? IMHO Gary

I believe in the basic tenants of Judiasm! Not everything written in the Bible is FACT.. Moses brought down the Ten Commandments from Mt Sinai. They were G_DS spoken words! The Bible and the New Testament were written by MEN, not G_D!

Evolution is only a distraction to those who choose to deny the reality of it!
Our past is very important and it is very important to understand how our world has/is evolving. Understanding this will lead to our continued presence on this planet. You are obviously not a man of science and I dont say that in a demeaning way.

[GKMOZ]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Would your belief in the old testement be from Genesis to Malachi ?? So in your mind or in the jewish faith the only true bible is the one Moses wrote ? How about David/Solomon/Isaiah etc.?? If not then you can pick and chose what you like/dislike about the scriptures which is what most people do !!Why would God give the whole word and only allow people to do what they like and not do what it all says ?? Gary

[Weester]

Originally Posted by GKMOZ

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Would your belief in the old testement be from Genesis to Malachi ?? So in your mind or in the jewish faith the only true bible is the one Moses wrote ? How about David/Solomon/Isaiah etc.?? If not then you can pick and chose what you like/dislike about the scriptures which is what most people do !!Why would God give the whole word and only allow people to do what they like and not do what it all says ?? Gary

Werent we given the freedom of choice???

We can debate Religion all you want but its obvious we cant debate Evolution, that would require you to have some scientific knowledge.
Again, I'm not disparaging you...

[GKMOZ]

Originally Posted by Weester

Werent we given the freedom of choice???

We can debate Religion all you want but its obvious we cant debate Evolution, that would require you to have some scientific knowledge.
Again, I'm not disparaging you...

We were given free will for sure !! ( Its not intended as an escape clause ) But we were also given commandments!! Remember the 10 given to Moses ?? You are like the rest of man ! Only what suits you !! Which is what I have been trying to point out about MANS KNOWLEDGE !! Its limited to SELF SERVING in almost ALL endeavors !! When you get down to the nitty gritty man says he or they said blah blah blah and it has gone on for what seems like forever !! We were created to glorify God and we sure have failed that one !! but it will all work out ! to bad most will not see it from Gods point of view !! As for debate, You do what the public schools do !! Completely ignore the point of view of christians in this debate because
your side doesn't recognize creation as a science !! But there are scientist who DO acknowledge the creation point of view ! I could do the same to you in reverse,Because you ignore the scriptures and have very little knowledge of what God says ! I don't mean that to be disparaging !! Gary

[Weester]

Originally Posted by GKMOZ

We were given free will for sure !! ( Its not intended as an escape clause ) But we were also given commandments!! Remember the 10 given to Moses ?? You are like the rest of man ! Only what suits you !! Which is what I have been trying to point out about MANS KNOWLEDGE !! Its limited to SELF SERVING in almost ALL endeavors !! When you get down to the nitty gritty man says he or they said blah blah blah and it has gone on for what seems like forever !! We were created to glorify God and we sure have failed that one !! but it will all work out ! to bad most will not see it from Gods point of view !! As for debate, You do what the public schools do !! Completely ignore the point of view of christians in this debate because
your side doesn't recognize creation as a science !! But there are scientist who DO acknowledge the creation point of view ! I could do the same to you in reverse,Because you ignore the scriptures and have very little knowledge of what God says ! I don't mean that to be disparaging !! Gary

The quest for knowledge is not self serving! Science is for the benefit of all humanity!! Can you imagine what the world would be like without doctors? What about the knowledge gained from the research they do. Studying our ancestors and other living organisms on our planet gives us the ability to understand our environment and gives us the tools to survive. Evolution is NATURES was of creating lifeforms that can endure and survive. Some times mistakes are made and that species dies off. By studying these species we can learn how to better ourselves.

There is no science in Religion.....Only Faith!

If we as humans would have relied only on faith to survive the world as we know it would end.


And FYI

I believe in the Ten Commandments...............and none of them have anything to do with Evolution!!

[Weester]

Gary,

Check this out!!

Science and Religion (ActionBioscience)

[GKMOZ]

Originally Posted by Weester

The quest for knowledge is not self serving! Science is for the benefit of all humanity!! Can you imagine what the world would be like without doctors? What about the knowledge gained from the research they do. Studying our ancestors and other living organisms on our planet gives us the ability to understand our environment and gives us the tools to survive. Evolution is NATURES was of creating lifeforms that can endure and survive. Some times mistakes are made and that species dies off. By studying these species we can learn how to better ourselves.

There is no science in Religion.....Only Faith!

If we as humans would have relied only on faith to survive the world as we know it would end.


And FYI

I believe in the Ten Commandments...............and none of them have anything to do with Evolution!!

Hey Weezy !! Where did knowledge come from ? Creation or evolution ?? Think what your saying !! Man get wisdom/knowledge FROM HIS CREATOR !!! Not from some cosmic slime from the seas !! If evolution is even close ? How did the bee evolve did it walk from flower to flower or did it have wings ?? Evolution is an insane theory !! Did they have legs first or wings first ?? How did they get to their hives / climb trees ?? or go from flower to flower ! and if they did walk Why ?? do you see ?? All of life has a purpose !! God created that purpose !! Its that simple !! "I do believe in the ten commandments..........and none of them have anything to do with evolution " Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! God doe not need evolution to do his will !!!!!!!!!!!!! Only man needs evolution to further his rebellion against God !!!!!!!!!!! to continue to do as he pleases !!!!!!!!!! with out responsibilty !! If he can create the theory of evolution it denies the creator !! they cannot coexist !! Gary