Sarah Palin pals around with Drug Addicts

[a trail rider]

Originally Posted by rtviper

Lets put it this way I have yet to run accross someone I have had contact with that was aware of Ayers history with the Weathermen prior to it being an item during elections.

Were you alive in the 1960's? If so, you should've known by 2008.

Many of my contacts are devout conservatives so yes he could be unaware.

Yeah, except now Ayers has come clean, and Obama has said he did know what Ayers did. Doesn't matter now that he's been elected.

It would be safe to say you have had many contacts with people with undesirable pasts that you have no clue about.

Contacts, yes. Friendships, no. A working relationship, no. Obama had all three with Ayers, not that he's the only one.

But I did know about G.Liddy as he was convicted and went to prison.

This has exactly what to do with the conversation? Oh yeah! It's the typical liberal mindset... change the subject to avoid facts against your desires in life. You probably think Ayers, an admitted terrorist, was never even arrested for his crimes too... He was. Charges were dropped due to technicalities, but he has admitted he was "guilty as Hell." And yes, it is on tape. He's also a self-described Anarchist, and Obama knew that too, because Ayers reminded everyone as recently as 2008. AND he reminded everyone he has no remorse for his cromes, even though they helped to kill people and tried to kill others. Thankfully, many of those killed were the very morons building bombs.

You can sugar coat it all you want the elction of a Democrat was considered unthinkable in Alaska. If Palin was so popular why would they elect someone who is against everything she stands for. I have a good idea why.

In Alaska, the election of a Democrat for President was unthinkable. Ted Stevens had been convicted of something to do with work done to his house... Anyway, convicted of a felony. He had almost no chance to win according to many... Still, he got close to being re-elected.

Palin wasn't in Alaska for much of the final weeks. She wasn't actively supporting Stevens and there were many Republican and Democrat supporters against her... politically. She is STILL the most popular Governer(approval ratings) in the USA. Those ratings were still over 60% when I last heard about it on the news.

Alaskan voters are not primarily Republican, or Democrat. They vote for whomever they feel is the better current choice. With that, the only "unthinkable" is that only 2 Democrats in nearly 50yrs have seemed sensible enough for election by Alaskans.

Will you reich wing try to refrain from kneejerk reactions. Who said low approval ratings. I said not as high as Palin lovers would believe. The election of a Dem is undeniable proof

You left-wingers are unbelievable... No matter what, anything you deem good is because of only 1 of 2 things... #1, the Democrats are great. #2, Republicans are always wrong. It's because of people like those on the left firmly mounted within the Democrat Party, that I will not vote for a Democrat beyond "local" office today.

Palin is the best thing to happen to the left. They will contribute to her run for the presidency in 2012

BALDERDASH! Not a friggin' chance. Believe whatever you like, but be assured, NO serious Democrat will support Palin in hopes a Democrat could have a chance to run against her... No way.

For the record, the best thing to happen to the left is very simple... The MEDIA! If you don't understand that, I'm totally wasting my time here.

The conservatives spent millions to try to uncover dirt about Obama.

So did Hillary Clinton... And ALL of them found plenty!

I'm done here... You've gotten half the story from people you want to believe and clearly done little to no research on your own.

[a trail rider]

Originally Posted by Red Regal T

Many have their blinders off. I don't see you posting here that often. Many others just lurk and read the posts. I see no outcry when I identify this puke correctly. He has destroyed the Republican party and the Conservative movement. He never was a conservative. If you want to look into his real person, ask yourself why this evil character has not pardoned Campean and Ramos.



We can't remove them from office because massive amounts of media and money are placed behind the people who continue the minutiae ... the people who are owned by the Jewish lobby. All the presidential candidates had to genuflect to the Jewish lobby, and all other candidates, whoever, wherever are doing the same thing. We can't vote ourselves out of these problems. These cretins are not working for us. They are working against us.



Is America today anything like it was 30 years ago? Look, mr. pie in the sky wishful thinker, the only way we can turn this around is for all the American people to understand it's not DIMwit/Republican and concentrate their thoughts on who the problem is. It's NWO taking over for the purpose of enslaving/exterminating the people of the world, and that includes what's going on here. You don't want to know. I'm afraid you will be awakened suddenly very soon.

Sorry... all outta cheese. The more you rant, the more I see an internet hero and a real world zero. That is to say, you preach constantly, but don't seem to DO anything of good consequence.

I see that there are governmental powers now... But not a thing I see suggests they're going to make any attempt to "exterminate the people of the world" in the least. And what good would that do them, anyway? If they made and then reached such a goal, they'd have nothing themselves... Think about it. Suddenly, they're the only ones left... Who does the work which makes their lives easier at that point? NOBODY... So that idea is truly "pie in the sky." And most of us will never truly become enslaved. Yeah, we'll have to work harder or more, but we'll still be able to move about within our own borders.

And while you may not see me post here much, that is no concern of mine. I've said many times now, President Bush(43) is no conservative. No news there. That doesn't mean he ruined the party of movement. Certainly, he did not. Both are still quite active. As you've pointed out, the media is really the reason behind all this. But make like a liberal if ya want... Blame Bush... They all do. Foolish as it is, there's nothing new about this whine.

And I do still hold hope that Bush pardons the two former officers. I don't believe they did anything I wouldn't have also done, for which they were convicted and imprisoned.

[Red Regal T]

Originally Posted by a trail rider

Sorry... all outta cheese. The more you rant, the more I see an internet hero and a real world zero. That is to say, you preach constantly, but don't seem to DO anything of good consequence.

I see that there are governmental powers now... But not a thing I see suggests they're going to make any attempt to "exterminate the people of the world" in the least. And what good would that do them, anyway? If they made and then reached such a goal, they'd have nothing themselves... Think about it. Suddenly, they're the only ones left... Who does the work which makes their lives easier at that point? NOBODY... So that idea is truly "pie in the sky." And most of us will never truly become enslaved. Yeah, we'll have to work harder or more, but we'll still be able to move about within our own borders.

And while you may not see me post here much, that is no concern of mine. I've said many times now, President Bush(43) is no conservative. No news there. That doesn't mean he ruined the party of movement. Certainly, he did not. Both are still quite active. As you've pointed out, the media is really the reason behind all this. But make like a liberal if ya want... Blame Bush... They all do. Foolish as it is, there's nothing new about this whine.

And I do still hold hope that Bush pardons the two former officers. I don't believe they did anything I wouldn't have also done, for which they were convicted and imprisoned.

I hope they keep you around to do their bidding. They'll keep enough people around to do their bidding. That's the way it's going to go down. The people who have the power of life and death over the masses will use that power. You can only think in the fashion of an ordered world where people will all be taken care of and given their rights. This is not the way these evil people are thinking. The feeders, us, will be dealt with. How many slaves will they need to keep alive. Who will feed you if you and your family have to flee from roaming armies who work for these people? You can't imagine the scenario for some reason. They don't need money or wealth. They already have it all. They want power over their common man, because they firmly believe they are superior, and certainly the common man, for them, doesn't count for much. I think this is where the world is heading ultimately. How long it will take for them to set it up, I don't know exactly, but I do know we're heading for some very bad times and I'm not sure we can come out of it. But, you be smug. You know it all. There's nothing wrong. America is the same as always. Campean and Ramos are a good example that nothing's wrong. Bush, a socalled moral man knows exactly about these guys. Why on earth has he not pardoned them? Make all the excuses you want. It says it all about the evil that is about. By stating Bush hasn't destroyed the Conservative movement and it's home in the Republican party just shows your wishful thinking. I could go on and on, and I've spoke to you more than you deserve, but until you wake up from the stupor you're in, there's no sense in it for me.

[a trail rider]

Originally Posted by Red Regal T

I hope they keep you around to do their bidding. They'll keep enough people around to do their bidding. That's the way it's going to go down.

I'm fairly confident in my being "kept around," but clearly you're convinced someone's waiting behind door #1 for you... It's sad to know there are people this afraid to simply live life. Realistically, it is apparent that our government wants to grow itself... So that would require more of us to do their bidding...

The people who have the power of life and death over the masses will use that power. You can only think in the fashion of an ordered world where people will all be taken care of and given their rights. This is not the way these evil people are thinking. The feeders, us, will be dealt with. How many slaves will they need to keep alive. Who will feed you if you and your family have to flee from roaming armies who work for these people? You can't imagine the scenario for some reason.

I can't imagine the scenario because it's ridiculous to the core! I'm not scared... YOU ARE! The reasons may be many, and I don't care. If I have to leave my home for some reason, running from the "powers that be" or whatever, I know how to grow my own food. Maybe you don't. I also know how to use my guns to kill food and defend myself. Maybe you don't. And I have a large enough family that we're spread across the country. With that, I can go to any number of places on a moments notice. Further, I have been many places already and I can get to anywhere in America that I may wish to go, including areas not often travelled by other humans. It all comes down to the same thing... I don't live my life AFRAID of what may come. I believe in God, only one God, my God. When he's ready, so am I!

And no, I don't "fashion" any such world where everyone is cared for(by other people). Infact, I don't really want that kind of world! I want a country like that, and I want people of other countries to strive for the same thing if that's what they see fit for a better country. I'd LIKE a world like that, but I don't want one because I know it will never truly happen.

They don't need money or wealth. They already have it all. They want power over their common man, because they firmly believe they are superior, and certainly the common man, for them, doesn't count for much.

The few who think this way are so outnumbered it's pathetic. If you're waiting for that group to be the ones who take over and kill the rest of us... Be assured, you're far more likely to die of old age, or from anything else, than what you're clearly afraid of in life.

What good will all the money and/or wealth of the world do for the few you claim already have it, if everyone else is dead? NONE would be a good answer.

I think this is where the world is heading ultimately. How long it will take for them to set it up, I don't know exactly, but I do know we're heading for some very bad times and I'm not sure we can come out of it. But, you be smug. You know it all. There's nothing wrong. America is the same as always.

It's not being smug... It's being knowledgeable and confident upon ME rather than afraid of others! And btw, when did I say there's nothing wrong? That's the opposite of what I said. Unlike you, I choose to not whine about all the bad when I can also see good around me everyday. And I choose to do things myself, so I don't have to rely on everyone else OR be afraid of who might be out to get me.

Campean and Ramos are a good example that nothing's wrong.

Did you miss the part where I said I don't like their being in prison? Did you miss the part where I said I think that's wrong too? Did my simple little words confuse you? Are you seeing anything beyond your own paranoid concepts?

Bush, a socalled moral man knows exactly about these guys. Why on earth has he not pardoned them? Make all the excuses you want. It says it all about the evil that is about. By stating Bush hasn't destroyed the Conservative movement and it's home in the Republican party just shows your wishful thinking. I could go on and on, and I've spoke to you more than you deserve, but until you wake up from the stupor you're in, there's no sense in it for me.

I never made or even hinted at an excuse. What were YOU reading?

Saying Bush didn't destroy conservatism isn't wishful thinking, it's THOUGHTFUL thinking. The movement and party BOTH still exist... It's a fact, not a wish. Bush was never a conservative... He didn't destroy it by simply ignoring or avoiding it. Hasn't happened, regardless what you say.

I may be in a stupor, but unlike you, I've got ZERO coward in me, and I won't be afraid simply because I haven't got all the correct answers in life. And I can tell already, I enjoy my life much more than you enjoy yours BECAUSE of the fact, I don't spend time worrying myself about that which I cannot control.

And you are right, you've spoken to me more than I deserver... So if you'd kindly STFU forever... I won't be upset. Sheesh... There are more whiners, crybabies and sissies in America than anyone knows what to do with, period. It's shameful how many people stand or sit around crying foul, but never DO anything to fix the things they call problems. If you're so damned scared that "their gonna get me" or whatever, why not take a REAL stand rather than sitting around warning everyone else of what "will happen" at a time you have no knowledge of, admittedly.

[Red Regal T]

We'll see how tough you are when the SHTF. You're rantings about what you think I am, mean nothing to me. I'm about trying to warn my fellow Americans, that's all. I'm ready as I can be, and I'm glad to hear you are too. I have nothing against you. We only disagree. My posts are for the information of whoever will take it, because I believe it's for their benefit. Right now, things don't seem so bad, but again, the $hit hasn't hit the fan. But it's going to very soon. And then we'll see who's right. Nothing can be fixed unless all Americans are on the same page. Individuals are powerless in this scenario.

[a trail rider]

Originally Posted by Red Regal T

We'll see how tough you are when the SHTF. You're rantings about what you think I am, mean nothing to me. I'm about trying to warn my fellow Americans, that's all. I'm ready as I can be, and I'm glad to hear you are too. I have nothing against you. We only disagree. My posts are for the information of whoever will take it, because I believe it's for their benefit. Right now, things don't seem so bad, but again, the $hit hasn't hit the fan. But it's going to very soon. And then we'll see who's right. Nothing can be fixed unless all Americans are on the same page. Individuals are powerless in this scenario.

Well, as they say, "Hide and watch!" If the need arises, I'll be plenty tough. Though I've gotten older and slower, I'm also wiser.

My "rantings" about what I think you are don't need to mean anything to you... I'm about warning my fellow Americans too... Those who want to survive your dread need to ignore you NOW and move along smartly, with those who don't get frightened by the site of their shadow. Otherwise, they should debate against your nonsense so that others still, may see that you are more than a few steps removed from reality.

SERIOUSLY: You really do come off as afraid of all your surroundings. There's no need for it, and never has been. The more you allow yourself to slip into the dilemna of hopelessness, the worse things will seem to you.

We disagree because I don't follow hopelessness and I don't condone or agree with that mindset. Everything I read from you in this forum is laced with what ifs, and blame for all... EXCEPT you, of course. You think our government is after us all. You think the rich are after us all. You think Israel is purposely trying to start a world war, or at least a major war in the ME. You think Jews are the bane of your existence, and if you allow them, they will be. That goes for any people, however. To you, every other culture, aside from the very one in exacting form, which you practice... is WRONG. You'll never get far with your "warnings" at this rate. You've got zero bend or flex in your outlook. Nobody knows what you know. Your answers will be seen true... unless that doesn't happen, but you'll stick with it as long as possible. Really... I think there are others who share my opinion... You forgot your meds! If that's not the case, perhaps you need to get them started.

Don't think I'm just mad atcha. I'm not. The thing is, you spread HATE as if you're paid to do so, and paid well. Most of us can't tolerate much of that and won't without having our say.

Want people to listen AND take heed? ... Stop being hateful and completely "one-way" and you might. Particularly when your specific "one-way" is from one end of the spectrum to the other, with scarcely a post between in some cases. We haven't very many here, who go as far as you go, for the apparent sake of hatred for so many. You seem to be... a skinhead.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by a trail rider

Were you alive in the 1960's? If so, you should've known by 2008.

Yeah, except now Ayers has come clean, and Obama has said he did know what Ayers did. Doesn't matter now that he's been elected. Contacts, yes. Friendships, no. A working relationship, no. Obama had all three with Ayers, not that he's the only one.
This has exactly what to do with the conversation? Oh yeah! It's the typical liberal mindset... change the subject to avoid facts against your desires in life. You probably think Ayers, an admitted terrorist, was never even arrested for his crimes too... He was. Charges were dropped due to technicalities, but he has admitted he was "guilty as Hell." And yes, it is on tape. He's also a self-described Anarchist, and Obama knew that too, because Ayers reminded everyone as recently as 2008. AND he reminded everyone he has no remorse for his cromes, even though they helped to kill people and tried to kill others. Thankfully, many of those killed were the very morons building bombs.

In Alaska, the election of a Democrat for President was unthinkable. Ted Stevens had been convicted of something to do with work done to his house... Anyway, convicted of a felony. He had almost no chance to win according to many... Still, he got close to being re-elected.

Palin wasn't in Alaska for much of the final weeks. She wasn't actively supporting Stevens and there were many Republican and Democrat supporters against her... politically. She is STILL the most popular Governer(approval ratings) in the USA. Those ratings were still over 60% when I last heard about it on the news.

Alaskan voters are not primarily Republican, or Democrat. They vote for whomever they feel is the better current choice. With that, the only "unthinkable" is that only 2 Democrats in nearly 50yrs have seemed sensible enough for election by Alaskans.

You left-wingers are unbelievable... No matter what, anything you deem good is because of only 1 of 2 things... #1, the Democrats are great. #2, Republicans are always wrong. It's because of people like those on the left firmly mounted within the Democrat Party, that I will not vote for a Democrat beyond "local" office today.

BALDERDASH! Not a friggin' chance. Believe whatever you like, but be assured, NO serious Democrat will support Palin in hopes a Democrat could have a chance to run against her... No way.

For the record, the best thing to happen to the left is very simple... The MEDIA! If you don't understand that, I'm totally wasting my time here.

So did Hillary Clinton... And ALL of them found plenty!

I'm done here... You've gotten half the story from people you want to believe and clearly done little to no research on your own.

Yes I was around in the 60's. I was in college during the late 60's. I heard of weatherman group but never heard of Ayers. Yes many knew of Ayers by late 2008.

It amazes me how the right has access to all this inside info. that is completely different from what is available to all of us.
Ayers said he hardly knew Obama and wish he had known him better. Obama said when they met in 1990's he did not know of Ayers past and why should he? He wasn't around in the 60s.
Please explain the Obama admission about friendship, and working relationship.

So Obama should have known in 2008 cause Ayers admitted he was an anarchist. Well damn he shouldn't be President cause he read in 2008 that Ayers admitted to his deeds? You lost me on that connection but hey thats what the right does if the facts don't support your beliefs try double talk. Just maybe others will be just as confused.

You can sugarcoat Palin all you want but remember you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
I will repeat it for you slowly. For only the second time in Alaska's political history a Democrat was elected into the Senate. All the woulda shoulda coulda's doesn't change the fact that no one really cared about Palin's affiliation. She was and is not as popular as she and others like to believe.
Palin even won the 2008 Dodo Award in Alaska. She makes D. Cheney look like A. Gore. Palin has all the inside information like you and knows the Polar Bear is thriving.
" “Palin’s insistence that Arctic melting is ‘uncertain’ is like someone debating the theory of gravity as they plunge off a cliff,” said Suckling
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin Wins 2008 Rubber Dodo Award

The left thinks the right is always wrong? Well what have they done right lately? Here is a news flash,it doesn't matter if you vote for the right. You already tried that and how did it work for you.
Yes the left wants Palin to be involved with the right as much as possible. Same reason Pelosi never impeached GW, by keeping him around it assured the left of victory. The Reich is so confused they think Palin is a viable candidate. Well yes you are right, run her as often as you can. PLEASE

Well actually you may be wasting your time here cause after all this great information you haven't absorbed much of it. If the Media had done a better job McCain would have faired even worse. Where was the Media talking about McCain and his hero G.Liddy,(aka felon) McCain was rubbing elbows with Liddy right up to the elections. Be thankful they didn't expose his relationships

[AKTURBOTA]

Originally Posted by rtviper

...You can sugarcoat Palin all you want but remember you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
I will repeat it for you slowly. For only the second time in Alaska's political history a Democrat was elected into the Senate. All the woulda shoulda coulda's doesn't change the fact that no one really cared about Palin's affiliation. She was and is not as popular as she and others like to believe.
Palin even won the 2008 Dodo Award in Alaska. She makes D. Cheney look like A. Gore. Palin has all the inside information like you and knows the Polar Bear is thriving.
" “Palin’s insistence that Arctic melting is ‘uncertain’ is like someone debating the theory of gravity as they plunge off a cliff,” said Suckling
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin Wins 2008 Rubber Dodo Award

The left thinks the right is always wrong? Well what have they done right lately? Here is a news flash,it doesn't matter if you vote for the right. You already tried that and how did it work for you.
Yes the left wants Palin to be involved with the right as much as possible. Same reason Pelosi never impeached GW, by keeping him around it assured the left of victory. The Reich is so confused they think Palin is a viable candidate. Well yes you are right, run her as often as you can. PLEASE
...

More Palin bashing...could not help but respond to the fanatical ranting of the environmental extremists. In the 1950's the polar bear population was about 12,000 in the Arctic worldwide. 50 years later the polar bear population is about 24,000 bears. The study that predicated that "pegged" polar bear distinction as an "endangered species" was a computer model that projected 2/3's of the bears to disappear by 2050. The Biological Diversity website is very misleading. The polar population has doubled since the 1950's...they don't talk about the total number of bears have increase...just focus on specific areas that have declines...nevermind putting events in the wrong context since overall populations have increased. The environmentalist have a very strong lobby and now they can lock up development of Alaska's petroleum reserves in the courts because of the endangered species act. Sarah Palin understood the impacts of the aforementioned endangered species act and the perilous position it places on prodevelopment.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by AKTURBOTA

More Palin bashing...could not help but respond to the fanatical ranting of the environmental extremists. In the 1950's the polar bear population was about 12,000 in the Arctic worldwide. 50 years later the polar bear population is about 24,000 bears. The study that predicated that "pegged" polar bear distinction as an "endangered species" was a computer model that projected 2/3's of the bears to disappear by 2050. The Biological Diversity website is very misleading. The polar population has doubled since the 1950's...they don't talk about the total number of bears have increase...just focus on specific areas that have declines...nevermind putting events in the wrong context since overall populations have increased. The environmentalist have a very strong lobby and now they can lock up development of Alaska's petroleum reserves in the courts because of the endangered species act. Sarah Palin understood the impacts of the aforementioned endangered species act and the perilous position it places on prodevelopment.

You go to love it, Palins continual lack of inteligence on what she speaks about must be contagious. You obviously googled information about the Polar Bear. You just failed to give the rest of the story. That is very reich wing like but remember what all the distortions and mis-speaks did to the Conservatives Election results.

Your google info on the population of Polar Bears in the 50's was a guess cause no one cared about the population. Since restrictions were placed on the killing of the Bears the population stopped declining as fast along with actual counting of the Bears the number in existance is now much more accurate. To say they have went from 5000 to 25000 is stupidity.

People who actually go out into the habitat Bears live in know the real truth. The Bears are in jepordy and the meltin Ice Caps is a threat. Several Polar Bear habitats are in decline. But who am I to argue with Palin she probably can count the Bears from her roof while she is keeping an eye on Russia.

Here is the rest of the story: Polar Bears International - Ask The Experts

Scientist on Western Hudson Bay Polar Bear Population: "I Consider Myself a Historian"

You know the old saying "Birds of a feather flock together."

[a trail rider]

Originally Posted by rtviper

Yes I was around in the 60's. I was in college during the late 60's. I heard of weatherman group but never heard of Ayers. Yes many knew of Ayers by late 2008.

It amazes me how the right has access to all this inside info. that is completely different from what is available to all of us.

You were in college in the 60's, and heard of the weather underground, but somehow, never heard of Ayers? He and his wife we "main players" and both were arrested for crimes they did commit.. But you never heard that. Oddly, I was just a youngster and I did hear of Bill Ayers. Maybe they didn't have newspapers or news on tv where you went to college. We had both at my house.

Ayers said he hardly knew Obama and wish he had known him better. Obama said when they met in 1990's he did not know of Ayers past and why should he? He wasn't around in the 60s.

He wasn't around? I beg to differ based on the facts at hand. Both Ayers and Obama were around in the 60's... It's proveable... Unless Obama's BC is really a fake...

Please explain the Obama admission about friendship, and working relationship.

Now I "get" you not having heard of Ayers... You fail to pay attention! Obama and Ayers worked together for years and during those years, Bill Ayers openly admitted many times, he didn't think he had done enough during the 60's. You think Obama couldn't or shouldn't have known how Ayers felt about things, particularly political things? BALDERDASH!

Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection - Fact Checker

Barack Obama and Bill Ayers: Stanley Kurtz Makes the Connection | NewsBusters.org

Just those 2 articles, which you probably never saw, not only show their relationship, but were done in 2001, nearly 7yrs before the 2008 election, and well after Ayers arrest in 1970. Note in article 2, Ayers is standing on our nations flag.

Obama claimed Ayers, "Is just a guy who lives in my neighborhood" and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Of course, we know that was a lie. We can also see from the 2nd article, Ayers and Obama were connected, not only through the board they served together on for some 3yrs, but through ACORN.

And we've learned also, Ayers home was the "launch pad" for Obama's political career in 1995.

So Obama should have known in 2008 cause Ayers admitted he was an anarchist. Well damn he shouldn't be President cause he read in 2008 that Ayers admitted to his deeds? You lost me on that connection but hey thats what the right does if the facts don't support your beliefs try double talk. Just maybe others will be just as confused.

The idea that Obama only learned in 2008, what Ayers did over 35yrs earlier... absurd. If you'd been paying attention, you'd know the realities like most of us have learned. Don't blame the right for being right unless you blame the left for being behind... For times when Obama would more than likely have learned about Bill Ayers, read the articles above. Your take on this sounds like that of the far left with his connection to Rev. Wright, which it turns out, was wrong... "Hey now... Obama had NO IDEA that his pastor was a radical... 20yrs is hardly enough time to get to know someone and their leanings... PUH LEEZE!

You can sugarcoat Palin all you want but remember you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Nope, but you can with crap from a worms ass.

I will repeat it for you slowly.

Don't bother... I'll inform you quickly... I'm reading, and cannot actually physically hear you.

For only the second time in Alaska's political history a Democrat was elected into the Senate.

For the 2nd time in what, 49yrs? Do you think that's a 1st for America? It isn't.

All the woulda shoulda coulda's doesn't change the fact that no one really cared about Palin's affiliation. She was and is not as popular as she and others like to believe.

You're mocking yourself now... It's fun to watch. Palin is the most popular Governor in America, according to poll after poll after poll, many of which were done long before the 2008 campaign.

Palin even won the 2008 Dodo Award in Alaska.

And who "gave it" to her?

She makes D. Cheney look like A. Gore. Palin has all the inside information like you and knows the Polar Bear is thriving.

That's because she's actually intelligent, and realizes there are more polar bears now than we've EVER had counted in the past. They ARE thriving, and only dimwits who don't travel or pay attention would believe otherwise. Btw, nothing on God's green earth can make Mr. Cheney remotely look like the maniacal buffoon we call Al Gore. On the other hand, Gore does have a pretty cool pad, where he ridiculously wastes the energy he wants YOU to politely conserve... And still, you refuse to "get it" on your own. Evidently, you were a "smoker" in the 1960's...

The left thinks the right is always wrong? Well what have they done right lately? Here is a news flash,it doesn't matter if you vote for the right. You already tried that and how did it work for you.

Lately? Nothing, because the Democrats have been in vast control since 2006... or didn't you learn that till 2008? The right, or what's left of it in Congress, has correctly fought against the silliness that is "man-made global warming" and the right has successfully defended our "right" to bear arms as well as actually use them to defend ourselves, both of which "the wrong" has been on the "wrong" side of for decades now. That same "wrong" is against drilling for our own oil, as a caribou may entangle itself amongst the pipelines or some such garbage. It's a DEER, for cryin' out loud!!! And there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of them roaming freely across the tundra... The "right" is essentially FOR drilling our most needed resource behind water and food.

Yes the left wants Palin to be involved with the right as much as possible. Same reason Pelosi never impeached GW, by keeping him around it assured the left of victory. The Reich is so confused they think Palin is a viable candidate. Well yes you are right, run her as often as you can. PLEASE

Oh... so now Nancy Pelosi has been able to impeach President Bush all the while... Hogwash. The ONLY reason impeachment didn't happen is because they had nothing. Nancy voted FOR war in Iraq, as I recall...

Personally, I don't want Palin for President. That said, I'd much rather her than the radical Obama, not to mention the crazy lady in Pelosi or Clinton. If the left was so welcome to her running, why did they spend so much time talking badly about her, and making up claims which just aren't true, and so little time correcting the many false comments about her? McCain and Obama did that for each other... but only McCain did that for Palin. It isn't what they didn't know... It's what they don't want you to know.

Well actually you may be wasting your time here cause after all this great information you haven't absorbed much of it. If the Media had done a better job McCain would have faired even worse. Where was the Media talking about McCain and his hero G.Liddy,(aka felon) McCain was rubbing elbows with Liddy right up to the elections. Be thankful they didn't expose his relationships

If the media had only DONE it's job... But alas... It did not. Had that happened, McCain likely would've not only done better, he probably would've won. The reality is, the media failed over and over again to mention the truth about Obama. Indeed, if they had done their job, the odds are, the 2008 election would've been contested by McCain and Clinton, NOT BHO.

Liddy was convicted in which decade? When did he finish his sentence? What was he convicted of? The difference between Liddy and Ayers is that Liddy actually PAID his dues, while Ayers was able to admit guilt and not suffer any penalty. Further, Ayers is still happy with his actions. Actions which killed people. Who'd G. Gordon Liddy blow up? Which police station did Liddy attack? What judge did Liddy attempt to kill, along with his family?

While you want to throw out Liddy, his actions and payment for them happened in the 70's... Ayers was still proud of his actions as recently as 2008, not to mention his comments on 9/11. You're trying to compare a man who has actually done some good for America, against one who's consistently been against America. And for some unknown reason, you think the one who hates his country is the better of the two... Talk about not absorbing information. You didn't absorb it in the 1960's or 1970's and here we are into 2009 and you still don't.

And the polar baer thing again... You quoted AKT's words, then totally screwed up your reply... He said, 12,000 to 24,000... That's "double." You follow up by saying 5,000 to 25,000 is stupidity... Well maybe it is, except he never said the population grew by 5 times the old number, which is what you wrote. Your numbers come from your "report" that FOX NEWS gave those numbers, and you should've either made that clear, or put your link in ahead of your comment. Nonetheless, what we know is, there are MORE now, not less. The good Dr... Derocher, honestly did not dispute that data as a whole, though he did say come areas appear to be in decline and he went on to say that the reason is mostly due to over-hunting. And we also know that while the ice is shifting, it isn't shrinking. I have found several tables showing the ice is actually covering more area now than it did just 10yrs ago.

The Dr. didn't dispute that we have more ice either, just that it has moved.

But what ruins his entire argument has the idea he clearly buys into, that "man-made global warming" is a major cause. As ANY scientist stuying the subject already knows, MMGB was made up by man, and is NOT supported by facts.

Your story mentions NASA and the claim that sea ice is melting away... Well, look at this one... SPACE.com -- Antarctic Sea Ice Increases over Past Two Decades

According to the above, we actually saw an increase from 79 to 99, and this "news" was available in 2002. For all the whacky talk about "global warming" we keep being fed, it's COLD OUT!! And we know, since 1998, temps have been falling, not rising. Some still claim we're warming, but that clearly isn't the case, even though we have found that there are people manipulating records to show a temperature rise. Problem there is, far too many people actually keep records to fall for that line of trash.

Finally, I'm NOT a Republican... I just don't buy into BS, so I can't be a Democrat(which I used to be) either.

Man-made global warming... polar bears endangered... caribou killed by pipelines... tsk tsk... I'd be flatly embarrassed having to admit I believed that crap and thought we could do anything good to change reality.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by a trail rider

You were in college in the 60's, and heard of the weather underground, but somehow, never heard of Ayers? He and his wife we "main players" and both were arrested for crimes they did commit.. But you never heard that. Oddly, I was just a youngster and I did hear of Bill Ayers. Maybe they didn't have newspapers or news on tv where you went to college. We had both at my house.
He wasn't around? I beg to differ based on the facts at hand. Both Ayers and Obama were around in the 60's... It's proveable... Unless Obama's BC is
really a fake...;

Now I "get" you not having heard of Ayers... You fail to pay attention! Obama and Ayers worked together for years and during those years, Bill Ayers openly admitted many times, he didn't think he had done enough during the 60's. You think Obama couldn't or shouldn't have known how Ayers felt about things, particularly political things? BALDERDASH!

Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection - Fact Checker

Barack Obama and Bill Ayers: Stanley Kurtz Makes the Connection | NewsBusters.org

Just those 2 articles, which you probably never saw, not only show their relationship, but were done in 2001, nearly 7yrs before the 2008 election, and well after Ayers arrest in 1970. Note in article 2, Ayers is standing on our nations flag.

Obama claimed Ayers, "Is just a guy who lives in my neighborhood" and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Of course, we know that was a lie. We can also see from the 2nd article, Ayers and Obama were connected, not only through the board they served together on for some 3yrs, but through ACORN.

And we've learned also, Ayers home was the "launch pad" for Obama's political career in 1995.

The idea that Obama only learned in 2008, what Ayers did over 35yrs earlier... absurd. If you'd been paying attention, you'd know the realities like most of us have learned. Don't blame the right for being right unless you blame the left for being behind... For times when Obama would more than likely have learned about Bill Ayers, read the articles above. Your take on this sounds like that of the far left with his connection to Rev. Wright, which it turns out, was wrong... "Hey now... Obama had NO IDEA that his pastor was a radical... 20yrs is hardly enough time to get to know someone and their leanings... PUH LEEZE!

Nope, but you can with crap from a worms ass.

Don't bother... I'll inform you quickly... I'm reading, and cannot actually physically hear you.

For the 2nd time in what, 49yrs? Do you think that's a 1st for America? It isn't.
You're mocking yourself now... It's fun to watch. Palin is the most popular Governor in America, according to poll after poll after poll, many of which were done long before the 2008 campaign.

And who "gave it" to her?
That's because she's actually intelligent, and realizes there are more polar bears now than we've EVER had counted in the past. They ARE thriving, and only dimwits who don't travel or pay attention would believe otherwise. Btw, nothing on God's green earth can make Mr. Cheney remotely look like the maniacal buffoon we call Al Gore. On the other hand, Gore does have a pretty cool pad, where he ridiculously wastes the energy he wants YOU to politely conserve... And still, you refuse to "get it" on your own. Evidently, you were a "smoker" in the 1960's...

Lately? Nothing, because the Democrats have been in vast control since 2006... or didn't you learn that till 2008? The right, or what's left of it in Congress, has correctly fought against the silliness that is "man-made global warming" and the right has successfully defended our "right" to bear arms as well as actually use them to defend ourselves, both of which "the wrong" has been on the "wrong" side of for decades now. That same "wrong" is against drilling for our own oil, as a caribou may entangle itself amongst the pipelines or some such garbage. It's a DEER, for cryin' out loud!!! And there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of them roaming freely across the tundra... The "right" is essentially FOR drilling our most needed resource behind water and food.

Oh... so now Nancy Pelosi has been able to impeach President Bush all the while... Hogwash. The ONLY reason impeachment didn't happen is because they had nothing. Nancy voted FOR war in Iraq, as I recall...

Personally, I don't want Palin for President. That said, I'd much rather her than the radical Obama, not to mention the crazy lady in Pelosi or Clinton. If the left was so welcome to her running, why did they spend so much time talking badly about her, and making up claims which just aren't true, and so little time correcting the many false comments about her? McCain and Obama did that for each other... but only McCain did that for Palin. It isn't what they didn't know... It's what they don't want you to know.

If the media had only DONE it's job... But alas... It did not. Had that happened, McCain likely would've not only done better, he probably would've won. The reality is, the media failed over and over again to mention the truth about Obama. Indeed, if they had done their job, the odds are, the 2008 election would've been contested by McCain and Clinton, NOT BHO.

Liddy was convicted in which decade? When did he finish his sentence? What was he convicted of? The difference between Liddy and Ayers is that Liddy actually PAID his dues, while Ayers was able to admit guilt and not suffer any penalty. Further, Ayers is still happy with his actions. Actions which killed people. Who'd G. Gordon Liddy blow up? Which police station did Liddy attack? What judge did Liddy attempt to kill, along with his family?

While you want to throw out Liddy, his actions and payment for them happened in the 70's... Ayers was still proud of his actions as recently as 2008, not to mention his comments on 9/11. You're trying to compare a man who has actually done some good for America, against one who's consistently been against America. And for some unknown reason, you think the one who hates his country is the better of the two... Talk about not absorbing information. You didn't absorb it in the 1960's or 1970's and here we are into 2009 and you still don't.

And the polar baer thing again... You quoted AKT's words, then totally screwed up your reply... He said, 12,000 to 24,000... That's "double." You follow up by saying 5,000 to 25,000 is stupidity... Well maybe it is, except he never said the population grew by 5 times the old number, which is what you wrote. Your numbers come from your "report" that FOX NEWS gave those numbers, and you should've either made that clear, or put your link in ahead of your comment. Nonetheless, what we know is, there are MORE now, not less. The good Dr... Derocher, honestly did not dispute that data as a whole, though he did say come areas appear to be in decline and he went on to say that the reason is mostly due to over-hunting. And we also know that while the ice is shifting, it isn't shrinking. I have found several tables showing the ice is actually covering more area now than it did just 10yrs ago.

The Dr. didn't dispute that we have more ice either, just that it has moved.

But what ruins his entire argument has the idea he clearly buys into, that "man-made global warming" is a major cause. As ANY scientist stuying the subject already knows, MMGB was made up by man, and is NOT supported by facts.

Your story mentions NASA and the claim that sea ice is melting away... Well, look at this one... SPACE.com -- Antarctic Sea Ice Increases over Past Two Decades

According to the above, we actually saw an increase from 79 to 99, and this "news" was available in 2002. For all the whacky talk about "global warming" we keep being fed, it's COLD OUT!! And we know, since 1998, temps have been falling, not rising. Some still claim we're warming, but that clearly isn't the case, even though we have found that there are people manipulating records to show a temperature rise. Problem there is, far too many people actually keep records to fall for that line of trash.

Finally, I'm NOT a Republican... I just don't buy into BS, so I can't be a Democrat(which I used to be) either.

Man-made global warming... polar bears endangered... caribou killed by pipelines... tsk tsk... I'd be flatly embarrassed having to admit I believed that crap and thought we could do anything good to change reality.

Nope never heard of Ayers in the 60's or 70's. First learned of Ayers in the current election. I should take you at your word but really don't believe you knew of Ayers as a youngster.
Yes Obama at 10 years old probably subscribed to the Weatherman newspaper. LMAO
Don't think anyone said Ayers wasn't around did you get too excited there?

Worked together for years? Enlighten us on there work history. Members of a board? Have you ever been a board member ? You can be involved for years and never have any interaction with other board members. Those that you do talk with usually involves board issues. Yes I believe Obama . You don't; but the majority also believed Obama since he was more credible.
You also work with others that you have no clue what they did 30 years ago.

If your going to cut and paste information please use information that isn't speculation. I have read those Articles and it was like listening to Rush Bimbo and just as credible. Your digging deep for dirt. Keep digging

No you and your peers are the only ones who know its a lie. Obama didn't even know what Ayers taught in school. Obama said Ayers was an English teacher and he was not. The coffee party was thrown for about a dozen people who were introduced to the next Senator from Chicago. Obama did not know about Ayers past at this time.
My neighborhood has a very high ranking republican Party member and parties have been held to round up votes for this individual. I know for a fact the Politician has no knowledge of the past of many of the organizers of these parties. He also live;s within blocks of these people
You beliefs don't matter. Its what can be proven and who is more credible. The Elections showed who was credible

Actually if YOU were paying attention you would have remembered it was your comment that Obama new Ayers was an anarchist because Ayers admitted it in 2008? Here is your quote "He's also a self-described Anarchist, and Obama knew that too, because Ayers reminded everyone as recently as 2008.
So like I said yes he would have known by 2008 LMAO

You are finally right they have not done anything right in a long time.

Yes Pelosi was asked to Impeach GW and she refused for the exact reason that got McCain trounced in the Elections. It worked but wasn't really needed with the team of McCain/Palin

If you read about the Polar Bear population guess in the 50's you would have learned it really was 5000. I was trying to educate using the correct number.
His guess way high compared to the actual number used in the 50's and the current number is a high of 25000. They didn't count bears in the 50's they guessed. They now count them and the numbers are declining fast. Scientists know the Ice is shrinking and the drowning deaths for Polar Bears is increasing. I will go with the Scientists who actually work in the habitat of the bears. It is a fact.
Here is a quick tip for you, this is 2009 and the state of the ice 10 years ago is old news. The present is the issue.
Same old mixed up logic. Obama should have known what Ayers did 40 years ago? The ice was increasing 10 years ago? News flash this is 2009

Don't be embarrassed you had it right the first time; now you are just a part of the dumbing down of America. How do you think people like GW and Cheney get elected. How do you think a Palin gets to run for VP? The method they use is to lower everyone's IQ to their level or lower. That way they look smart

[Red Regal T]

Important information: AMERICA IS ENDING!

sarah palin, sarah palin, sarah palin. how do you feel about Sarah Palin? More importantly, who do you think will play in the Superbowl?

[rtviper]

I feel sorry for Palin. She has succumbed to the notion that she is a player in Politics. She is actually the lefts Trojan Horse.

Super Bowl? Now why would I sit in front of a TV for 3 to 4 hours to watch 10to 14 minutes of action? The rest of the time its "Hi Mom" and men patting each others butt's.
I have never watched a Super Bowl game in its entirety. Once I recorded a local teams participation in the Super Bowl and watched most of the actual plays in less then 10 minutes
I actually have more important things to do like sitting on my roof keeping an eye on Russia.

[a trail rider]

Originally Posted by rtviper

Nope never heard of Ayers in the 60's or 70's. First learned of Ayers in the current election. I should take you at your word but really don't believe you knew of Ayers as a youngster.

Perhaps you were too busy NOT inhaling... The man was arrested and it was national news. To not have heard of him is to not have been there, or not have been paying any attention.

Yes Obama at 10 years old probably subscribed to the Weatherman newspaper. LMAO

Nobody even hinted that, but Obama knew Ayers in the 1990's, long before the last national election, and worked with him during the 90's and into the 2000's.

Don't think anyone said Ayers wasn't around did you get too excited there?

You did say Obama wasn't around... But then, he was, which is why you only address the Ayers portion now. Too late, we already got what you said, which, as usual, was incorrect.

Worked together for years? Enlighten us on there work history. Members of a board? Have you ever been a board member ? You can be involved for years and never have any interaction with other board members. Those that you do talk with usually involves board issues. Yes I believe Obama . You don't; but the majority also believed Obama since he was more credible.

The articles I linked "enlighten us"... So that's been done. Just read it for yourself. It isn't going anywhere for awhile.

I've been on a two different boards, though nothing as the one they served on. Ayers basically was the head of the entire fiasco(see Acorn), so there's no question, Obama knew his thoughts on many issues of the nature, including specifically how and what children should be taught, and who would get which money to bring in Ayers idealism to the schools. The minutes kept during their meetings have detailed many interactions. These two knew each other. They lived only a few blocks apart to boot. And as stated, Obama's political career was launched in Bill Ayers home. How could you NOT know someone and manage that kind of party? Anyone would be stupid to purposely make such a move, particularly in Chicago politics.

The majority didn't, and still don't believe Obama. The majority simply didn't care enough to let it matter to them. The reason for that is, the regular media didn't stress the real story and many people, like you, think it isn't true, even though the facts are finally on the table.

You also work with others that you have no clue what they did 30 years ago.

Indeed, but not on their level. If I work with you for 3yrs or more, the likelihood of my not having figured out much about you is simply down the drain like used bath water. If you're a drug user, I'll likely know. If you're an alcoholic, I'll likely know. If you're a skinhead, I'll more than likely know. If you're a politician, I'll certainly know. And if you're a liar, I'm bound to know.

If your going to cut and paste information please use information that isn't speculation. I have read those Articles and it was like listening to Rush Bimbo and just as credible. Your digging deep for dirt. Keep digging

You choose not to believe what is simply undeniable to the average sane and thinking person... That's your right. It won't change my life on any personal level. I choose to believe people perhaps closer to Rush Limbaugh in their conservative thinking. The reason is, they are typically the same people who live as I do, work as I do, teach children as I do, pay bills as I do, cut the grass when needed, as I do... You choose to believe Barack Hussein Obama... A guy who has literally done almost nothing except get a liberal education and get elected to office. You choose a politician over normal Americans.

No you and your peers are the only ones who know its a lie. Obama didn't even know what Ayers taught in school. Obama said Ayers was an English teacher and he was not. The coffee party was thrown for about a dozen people who were introduced to the next Senator from Chicago. Obama did not know about Ayers past at this time.

I never said Obama knew about Ayers in 1995. The fact is, you claim he figured it out in 2008... I say BS! Barack is FAR TOO INTELLIGENT to have needed 13 YEARS to figure out the likes of Bill Ayers!!

My neighborhood has a very high ranking republican Party member and parties have been held to round up votes for this individual. I know for a fact the Politician has no knowledge of the past of many of the organizers of these parties. He also live;s within blocks of these people
You beliefs don't matter. Its what can be proven and who is more credible. The Elections showed who was credible

You base an awful lot of belief theory resulting in what you call "proof" in election results. That's stupid, not ignorant, stupid. Someone throwing a party for an already known politician is one thing, particularly if said politician has no further regular contact with the party host. The party at Ayers home was merely the beginning of a long relationship. If it isn't obvious to you... That's your little dilemna. 1995 till 2008... And still, you think Obama didn't know until 2008, who Bill Ayers was... Foolish doesn't even begin to describe that train of thought. That said, even you clearly know that Ayers and Obama have been connected for over a decade... Somehow, you also believe "Ayers is just a guy in [the] neighborhood" who Obama never spent much time around...

Actually if YOU were paying attention you would have remembered it was your comment that Obama new Ayers was an anarchist because Ayers admitted it in 2008? Here is your quote "He's also a self-described Anarchist, and Obama knew that too, because Ayers reminded everyone as recently as 2008.
So like I said yes he would have known by 2008 LMAO

Did you have trouble understanding my comment? Ayers REMINDED... not "Ayers finally said"... REMINDED... He'd done the same thing whilst standing on the American flag in 2001. And he'd done the same thing even earlier when he said of himself, "Guilty as Hell."

You are finally right they have not done anything right in a long time.

Neither main party has, but you choose to side with the loons, as if they're about to make changes for the better... All the while, they're "leaking" to the public how taxes are about to go up... so they can fund more projects which have failed countless times in the past.

Yes Pelosi was asked to Impeach GW and she refused for the exact reason that got McCain trounced in the Elections. It worked but wasn't really needed with the team of McCain/Palin

Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House of Representatives. With that, she can call for impeachment of the President of the USA. However, the actual trial is to be done only by the US Senate. Bush wasn't impeached because the House, not to mention the Senate, was totally divided on most issues regarding any impeachment, and all knew that since so many had agreed to do what the President asked, the couldn't later find him guilty of "crimes" they told him to commit. There was no issue of the left being able to win an election ONLY by not impeaching the President. The fact is, they knew he'd not be found guilty of breaking any laws.

If you read about the Polar Bear population guess in the 50's you would have learned it really was 5000. I was trying to educate using the correct number. His guess way high compared to the actual number used in the 50's and the current number is a high of 25000. They didn't count bears in the 50's they guessed. They now count them and the numbers are declining fast. Scientists know the Ice is shrinking and the drowning deaths for Polar Bears is increasing. I will go with the Scientists who actually work in the habitat of the bears. It is a fact.

So they can simply go count all the polar bears now... Gotcha. I'm sure they never miss any, and all are clearly marked in their wonderfully white coats... And of course, none could possibly blend in with their environment well enough to not be spotted by the watchful, excellent eye of people... A seal may not sense them, but man has 'em covered...

Scientists actually know that there is MORE ICE today than at any time records have been kept. It has simply collected in over a larger area. Some areas have less. Some have more. We know this by viewing satellite images.

Polar bears, in some instances, have been tagged and have been known to swim over 100 miles in frigid icy water, non-stop... They lived. Yet you believe they're drowning at an increased rate. Polar bears PURPOSELY JUMP INTO these waters and somehow, get out again, unharmed. I couldn't imagine how, what with their insanely thick fur coats and lard to make 'em drown... Sheesh... They're more boyant than FISH!

Here is a quick tip for you, this is 2009 and the state of the ice 10 years ago is old news. The present is the issue.
Same old mixed up logic. Obama should have known what Ayers did 40 years ago? The ice was increasing 10 years ago? News flash this is 2009

The ice increased for 20yrs straight... HELLO... McFly??? If the ice increased for 20 straight years... And then decreased for 10 at the same rate... HOW IN God's name COULD that ice change kill off polar bears? Maybe it's God's divine intervention... Maybe God decided to allow more polar bears than there were, but changed his mind and wants the numbers to fall again... There was less, then more... If we lose some, perhaps we'll reach the "less" again... The bears don't know the difference. They managed when there was less... They'll manage again with less. Here's your newsflash... USE your common sense!

Don't be embarrassed you had it right the first time; now you are just a part of the dumbing down of America. How do you think people like GW and Cheney get elected. How do you think a Palin gets to run for VP? The method they use is to lower everyone's IQ to their level or lower. That way they look smart

As long as I'm not part of the "stupid America," I'm okay with myself... Go toke another dooby...

By the way... If I'm part of the dumbing down... Ask yourself some questions... How do you think GWB got elected... And then OHB? And look who the Dems picked as a VP... That man is an IDIOT! Plain and simple, an idiot. If the method used is to lower everyones IQ, don't you wonder at all about your support for the current winner of the dumbing contest?

[rtviper]

"Perhaps you were too busy NOT inhaling... The man was arrested and it was national news. To not have heard of him is to not have been there, or not have been paying any attention."

I can honestly say I have consumed less illegal drugs then most anyone who posts on this site. Have never consumed an illegal drug ever.
You must live in Ayers hometown if his arrest for nonviolent demonstrations made the headlines let alone National news. Never made headlines in the northwest. Thousand's were arrested for demonstrating.

"And as stated, Obama's political career was launched in Bill Ayers home. How could you NOT know someone and manage that kind of party? Anyone would be stupid to purposely make such a move, particularly in Chicago politics"

A party for a dozen people to introduce the new senator from Chicago is a no brainer. Obama did not know of Ayers past at the time..
Direct me to the minutes that detail their discussions on Ayers past and his confessions of his weatherman involvement. The board met 4 times a year. Yep pretty close pals.

"The majority didn't, and still don't believe Obama. The majority simply didn't care enough to let it matter to them. The reason for that is, the regular media didn't stress the real story and many people, like you, think it isn't true, even though the facts are finally on the table."

The majority do not think Obama knew of Ayers past when they attended Ayers reception. When he found out is just a guess. Since they weren't pals what difference does it make? I haven't to this day figured out that connection.

"Indeed, but not on their level. If I work with you for 3 yrs or more, the likelihood of my not having figured out much about you is simply down the drain like used bath water. If you're a drug user, I'll likely know. If you're an alcoholic, I'll likely know. If you're a skinhead, I'll more than likely know. If you're a politician, I'll certainly know. And if you're a liar, I'm bound to know."

And if the traits were from 30 years ago you wouldn't have a clue.

"That's your right. It won't change my life on any personal level. I choose to believe people perhaps closer to Rush Limbaugh in their conservative thinking. The reason is, they are typically the same people who live as I do, work as I do, teach children as I do, pay bills as I do, cut the grass when needed, as I do... You choose to believe Barack Hussein Obama... A guy who has literally done almost nothing except get a liberal education and get elected to office. You choose a politician over normal Americans"

Yep R. Bimbo is a regular guy just like you. How much time did you get for prescription Fraud or did you plea bargain also? You sure picked a real role model there.
Obama's list of nothing are as follows. Obama holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and he is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.
President of Harvard Law review
Graduated Magna Cum Laude
Published a Book
Taught Constitutional Law at Chicago Law School
Elected to State Senator, Elected to Untied State Senate
Published a 2nd Book etc etc etc etc
You got me there. How stupid of me to not cuddle up with Rush ?? Oh yes also elected US president.

"That's your little dilemna. 1995 till 2008... And still, you think Obama didn't know until 2008, who Bill Ayers was.."

I don't think it took until. 2008 for Obama to understand Ayers past. I will repeat it again I responded to your post where you said Obama knew Ayers was an anarchist because Ayers admited it as late as 2008. I responded well yes he would know it in 2008. you don't even know when one makes fun of your post?

"Bush wasn't impeached because the House, not to mention the Senate, was totally divided on most issues regarding any impeachment"

Pelosi admitted she would not impeach GW because she wanted him in office come election time. Do you really think if they wanted to smear GW they would care if the impeachment actually happened. Hell No. Just the fact he was impeached is enough.

..." HOW IN God's name COULD that ice change kill off polar bears? Maybe it's God's divine intervention... Maybe God decided to allow more polar bears than there were, but changed his mind and wants the numbers to fall again..."

Yikes guess your talk regarding :not inhaling" "go toke another doobey" was more then talk. It was the voice of experience. You are now speaking about Gods intentions. Well that would explain the years of burned up brain cells then God enlightened you. I see now why you believe all the bs and crap the Reich wing throws at you. Hell you even believe in a Creator?

"By the way... If I'm part of the dumbing down... Ask yourself some questions... How do you think GWB got elected... And then OHB? And look who the Dems picked as a VP... That man is an IDIOT! Plain and simple, an idiot. If the method used is to lower everyones IQ, don't you wonder at all about your support for the current winner of the dumbing contest?"

Well one election he lost the popular vote. The next election his smarter brother Jeb got him elected with a little manipulation. Finally many of the dummies saw the light and said "no mas"

[a trail rider]

I am not from or in Chicago. Ayers made national headlines because he was a FUGITIVE of the FBI... Geez, you really weren't paying attention. Are you sure you were really in college in the late 60's and not 80's?

Obama's political career was "kicked off" at Ayers residence... He was no senator at the time we're talking about. He was beginning to run for office on the very night in question. You keep referring to the situation as if it was a Senator visiting people. No, it was the 1st day of Obama's political career, and he'd never been elected as anything that point. The board met only 4 times per year... or whatever... That means nothing. These two knew each other for years and lived within minutes of one another... for years. They knew where each other lived... But you're ******(insert opposite of intelligent word here) enough to believe they hardly knew each other. The only "cover up" here is the rose colored glasses you're wearing. They worked on more than just a single board together. The Annenburg thing(several areas about education), then Acorn, and over a period of several yrs. You can choose to believe Obama is a dumbass if you want. I know better. He knew who Bill Ayers was because Barrack Hussein Obama isn't NEARLY as stupid as he looks. He's not even close to as stupid as he sounds without a teleprompter... Slow thinker, yes. Stupid, not even.

If the "traits" from 30yrs ago still exist(and that's why they're called traits- because they exist), of course I'd know... Bill Ayers was still telling people how he felt even into the 2000's... No secret about it. Only a total moron wouldn't know. Ayers was written about by several reporters who interviewed him after writing his book in 2001, including one from probably the largest newspaper in Chicago, where Obama spent most of his time and was already a state senator. In that book, where Ayers is pictured standing on a US flag, Ayers tells how he feels. Obama read the book, and said so. Still, he wouldn't know until 2008... Wrong. He positively knew by 2001, whether or not you get the connection.

I said that I choose to believe people perhaps closer to Rush Limbaugh in their conservative thinking... It is ONLY you who used him as an example. You're NOT intelligent enough for this. Please stop trying to trap me into any ridiculously stupid and "made for slow people" liberal BS. Sorry, but I just happen to be a little beyond it at this point... And are you certain you didn't inhale? Because you're arguments come off as if you've not yet completed high school, let alone attended college.

Moral of that story... I'll pick my role models. You just worry about getting yourself a clue and not who I have chosen. Lemme spell it out for you... "conservative thinking" doesn't mean Rush Limbaugh is my role model, no matter which uneducated Democrat makes that ludicrous claim.

Obama holds WHAT? That bastard has hardly ATTENDED his Senate seat yet... And you make it out like he's done something. Bastard NEVER did anything in the US Senate... Well, maybe a little... He did vote "PRESENT" some 131 times... I can't even believe how gullible you are. To think Obama has accomplished more than being elected. Laughable, yet sincerely stupid. Surely you jest!

And what really ticks me off about the "list" you've compiled is the mere mention of anything related to veterans... Obama hasn't done DIDDLYSQUAT for ANY veteran during his lifetime. I've done more for vets ACCIDENTLY than Obama has done on purpose!

As I said, Obama has hardly done anything except get a liberal education and get elected to office. I'll bet you can't name ANY federal legislation Obama wrote, but he damn well wrote a book about his 40yrs on the planet... I'll bet you can't name ANYTHING that he's ever done(of longterm value) for you or me, but you'll make a list telling everyone he's become a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, as IF that means crap to anyone. He claims to BE black, and all blacks in Congress become a member... because they're BLACK... Only thing is, Obama forgot he's white too, and was raised by whites, since his "Mac daddy Black daddy" left his ass when he was like... 2yrs old. And after that, Obama found that he's ACTUALLY a bastard... But you put him on that platter all day for as long as you can. In the end, I'll say now, Obama won't be re-elected as President. Why? Because even his left wing base will realize that he's going to do NOTHING for them. They're already pissed off that he isn't doing all the want. And they're telling anyone who'll listen.

I don't think you were trying to make fun... I think you were being thick-headed. You are still arguing that Obama had no reason to know... But as anyone else would conclude, you have too... He knew.

On your Pelosi impeachment comment... Perhaps you'd better read that again and see if you can tell where you screwed up... I see it, but while I find it funny, I don't think it's what you meant.

While I certainly believe in a creator, only a fool wouldn't. And that doesn't mean I smoke pot, although I will admit that I have 3 times. Didn't like it. The very concept of not having a creator is silly... Afterall, earth was created. Therefore, earth has a creator.

As for the "Reich" wing... I'm not a Nazi or skinhead, nor do I consider myseld any "arian nation" person... I'm not even a Republican. I just use my common sense.

Here's some more "news" for you... The 2000 election had a questionable Florida outcome, but when all votes were actually counted(after the Fl court said stop), Bush had won the state by 547 or so. He did actually win. That's the state where his "smarter brother" was governor. Then, the next election saw trouble in Ohio, where Jeb was not governor. In other words, once again you're confused. The "dummies" saw the light and said "no mas," did they.... Well you may not have realized this before, but Bush wasn't running in 2008. It's ABOUT TIME those dummies figured it out... Presidents in America only get to serve 8yrs(unless they were already VP and had to take over)... That's 2 terms... tell your friends, so they don't have to look like dummies in the future... What a bunch of morons to finally decide no more, after two terms as President... And you're part of that group, didn't you say??? heh... Too easy. Go try picking on someone with a brain as strong as yours, okay? Mine's too busy laughing at your arguments, or lack thereof.

Now I'll say "no mas" because it seems the left coast just does something to people that cannot be helped. You're a prime example... You see the evidence, but claim it doesn't exist. I cannot help those who will not help themselves.

[rtviper]

The National headlines Ayers made was during the 1968 National convention. Obama was 8 years old. No need to elaborate any more on this. I never read about Ayers or many of the others arrested in the late 60's. It was a common event. As smart as Obama has come to be I would bet he wasn't reading the daily news at 8 years old but hey when you don't have much to go on you must try anything.

Lying didn't work for McCain /Palin and its not working for you. Sorry but Obamas Political Career was launched when Obama got the backing of Sen Alice Palmer who wanted him to replace her as she was going to run for Congress. Palmers backing gave him entree into influential Political circles.
Obama's formal kick-off to announce his run for state senate was at the Hyde Park Ramada Inn on Sept. 19, 1995. Obama was introduced by Palmer in a room filled with supporters at the Ramada,

Around this time, Obama started to attend a series of coffees in the Hyde Park community where he lived, standard operating procedure for political rookies
I was certainly (hosting) one of the first," said Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf, rabbi emeritus at Chicago's KAM Isaiah Israel--located across the street from the Obama home. "There were several every week
The Ackermans, Sam and Martha, longtime Hyde Park activists in independent Democratic politics, also held an early event for Obama in their condo.
Sam Ackerman told me Tuesday when we exchanged e-mails that "as I recall, the event at Bill Ayers' house (prior to ours) was a fund-raiser for Alice's congressional campaign at which she also introduced Barack as the successor she would like to see elected."
Obama attended about 20 homes the day of Ayers coffee party. The number of homes attended that day is a guess.

Obama knowing about Ayers in 2008 was one of your statements "Obama knew Ayers was an anarchist because Ayers admitted it as late as 2008. I agreed with that statement. I don't know when Obama first knew and neither do you. The truth can hurt but that's life.

Open mouth insert foot?
First Fed Legislation: the HOPE Act,
The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act
Summer Learning demonstration project
Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007,
Obama has sponsored about 12 amendments that have passed
Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.

And what have the Conservatives done for Veterans besides bringing them home in coffins?

Over and over Pelosi was asked to impeach GW. "She is told A lame president with the lowest approval ratings in history being proven on the floor of the Congress to be a liar, manipulator and disrespector of the Constitution he swore to uphold and protect?" Then there’s the disgust factor. The GOP is currently on the edge of becoming the most hated political party ever.
Pelosi confides to friends that she wants GW in office to assure a Democratic victory.

Quote:
"He claims to BE black, and all blacks in Congress become a member... because they're BLACK... Only thing is, Obama forgot he's white too, and was raised by whites, since his "Mac daddy Black daddy" left his ass when he was like... 2 yrs old. And after that, Obama found that he's ACTUALLY a bastard..."

Well KKK a trail rider that kind of speaks for itself. At least we are starting to see your real motives for the lies and distortions.

Here is a news flash for you, the Earth evolved. It was not Created. As more and more Education becomes available to everyone, the Creationist's have changed their tune. They now realize how foolish they look trying to support the Creation of Earth. They now have dreamed up a new and improved version called "Intelligent Design". Basically they are saying Ok you are right we were wrong the Earth did evolve but it was GOD who started the evolving. LMAO. If they can hold on to this for a few decades they can still get the masses to fill the coffers. It's all about money to the Christians.
You need to get an update on what to believe. Genisis X is the new version.

I am still looking for the common sense angle you are claiming? Maybe its the comments like" Mac daddy Black daddy" left his ass when he was like... 2 yrs old. And after that, Obama found that he's ACTUALLY a bastard."
That was a great example of your common sense?

[STAGE 2]

Originally Posted by rtviper

The National headlines Ayers made was during the 1968 National convention. Obama was 8 years old. No need to elaborate any more on this. I never read about Ayers or many of the others arrested in the late 60's. It was a common event. As smart as Obama has come to be I would bet he wasn't reading the daily news at 8 years old but hey when you don't have much to go on you must try anything.

So you would have no problems with someone who was 8 years old in 2001 serving on a board with Osama Bin Laden.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by STAGE 2

So you would have no problems with someone who was 8 years old in 2001 serving on a board with Osama Bin Laden.

I give. I have read your comment several times and still don't know what your trying to say?
But no I don't care if Bin Laden has 5 year old's on his board?

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by STAGE 2

So you would have no problems with someone who was 8 years old in 2001 serving on a board with Osama Bin Laden.

I think I got your point. Someone who is 8 during 9/11 serving on Bin Laden's board. I hope your not comparing the notoriety of 9/11 to Ayers being arrested for nonviolent demonstrations in 1968? You really think it received the same amount of Media attention.
If you do then you have just qualified yourself for the next Vice Presidential ticket for the Republicans. Good Luck.

[Weester]

ABC News ANCHORAGE, Alaska – A drug investigator says authorities delayed the arrest of a woman tied to Gov. Sarah Palin's family until after the November election, in which Palin was the Republican vice presidential candidate, a newspaper reported.

Sherry Johnston — whose son Levi Johnston is engaged to Palin's daughter, Bristol — was arrested Dec. 18 on six felony drug counts. She is accused of selling Oxycontin, a strong prescription painkiller, and pleaded not guilty Monday.

Investigator Kyle Young sent an e-mail to the Public Safety Employees Association saying the search warrant of Johnston's house was delayed for political reasons, the Anchorage Daily News reported Monday.

"It was not allowed to progress in a normal fashion, the search warrant WAS delayed because of the pending election and the Mat Su Drug Unit and the case officer were not the ones calling the shots," Young wrote in the Dec. 30 e-mail.

The warrant was delivered the same day as Sherry Johnston's arrest.

more:

Alaska trooper says politics slowed drug arrest - Yahoo! News

[salvageV6]

Hey anyone remember a drugged out President Bill Clinton at Greg Normans house messing up his leg real bad.

Now that was some funny coverup.

[Weester]

Originally Posted by salvageV6

Hey anyone remember a drugged out President Bill Clinton at Greg Normans house messing up his leg real bad.

Now that was some funny coverup.

I thought he never inhaled???

[salvageV6]

He still inhales Scotch....

Check out that Rudolph nose.

[Weester]

Originally Posted by salvageV6

He still inhales Scotch....

Check out that Rudolph nose.

WC Fields Jr.

[STAGE 2]

Originally Posted by rtviper

I think I got your point. Someone who is 8 during 9/11 serving on Bin Laden's board. I hope your not comparing the notoriety of 9/11 to Ayers being arrested for nonviolent demonstrations in 1968? You really think it received the same amount of Media attention.
If you do then you have just qualified yourself for the next Vice Presidential ticket for the Republicans. Good Luck.

Were you alive in 1968? The actions of the weather underground was NATIONAL NEWS. Sending bombs to police stations, government buildings and the pentagon usually generates interest.

The only difference between Bin laden and Ayers is one is actually good at what they do.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by STAGE 2

Were you alive in 1968? The actions of the weather underground was NATIONAL NEWS. Sending bombs to police stations, government buildings and the pentagon usually generates interest.

The only difference between Bin laden and Ayers is one is actually good at what they do.

Ayers was arrested in 1968 I believe for nonviolent demonstrations at the Chicago convention.
Maybe you read about Ayers in 1968 because of his work with kids . Bill Ayres is one of the founders of Children's Community, an integrated school community in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
The pentagon was bombed in 1972 I believe? The bomb that accidentally went off killing some of the activists was 1970.
The Weather Underground was co founded by Ayers in 1970 so once again tell me about all the National News they made in 1968? LMAO
They actually were good at what they did. They didn't want any deaths to bystanders and accomplished that. They wanted the US out of Nam and may have contributed to that?
You have been getting your information from McCain/Palin haven't you? Maybe Rush?

[Mac in SD]

Originally Posted by rtviper

Ayers was arrested in 1968 I believe for nonviolent demonstrations at the Chicago convention.
Maybe you read about Ayers in 1968 because of his work with kids . Bill Ayres is one of the founders of Children's Community, an integrated school community in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
The pentagon was bombed in 1972 I believe? The bomb that accidentally went off killing some of the activists was 1970.
The Weather Underground was co founded by Ayers in 1970 so once again tell me about all the National News they made in 1968? LMAO
They actually were good at what they did. They didn't want any deaths to bystanders and accomplished that. They wanted the US out of Nam and may have contributed to that?
You have been getting your information from McCain/Palin haven't you? Maybe Rush?

You have NO idea what you're talking about. Ayers was arrested for conspiracy in a series of several bombings and bombing plots - not anything to do with demonstrations at a convention. He and his actually-more-famous cunt wife, Bernadine Dorhn, issued a manifesto called "Prarie Fire" which spelled out their goals for a communist revolution, and most of their bombs went off after we had begun to withdraw from Viet Nam.

Charges against him were dismissed ONLY because wiretaps by the NYPD were subsequently determined to be inadmissable. His statement at the time was, "Guilty as hell- free as a bird." A punk who needs killing only slightly less than his even more dangerous wife.

The Nyack armored car holdup, in which 2 cops and a security guard were SHOT TO DEATH by Weather Underground terrorists, was facilitated by Bernadine herself. She stole the drivers licenses that were used to rent the cars the hold-up team used. I guess Bill was totally in the dark about Bernadine's support for WU ops - even tough they had come out from the underground by then. What was the date of those murders?

Oct 20, 1981.

Go peddle that "long ago and far away' crap somewhere else.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by Mac in SD

You have NO idea what you're talking about. Ayers was arrested for conspiracy in a series of several bombings and bombing plots - not anything to do with demonstrations at a convention. He and his actually-more-famous cunt wife, Bernadine Dorhn, issued a manifesto called "Prarie Fire" which spelled out their goals for a communist revolution, and most of their bombs went off after we had begun to withdraw from Viet Nam.

Charges against him were dismissed ONLY because wiretaps by the NYPD were subsequently determined to be inadmissable. His statement at the time was, "Guilty as hell- free as a bird." A punk who needs killing only slightly less than his even more dangerous wife.

The Nyack armored car holdup, in which 2 cops and a security guard were SHOT TO DEATH by Weather Underground terrorists, was facilitated by Bernadine herself. She stole the drivers licenses that were used to rent the cars the hold-up team used. I guess Bill was totally in the dark about Bernadine's support for WU ops - even tough they had come out from the underground by then. What was the date of those murders?

Oct 20, 1981.

Go peddle that "long ago and far away' crap somewhere else.

Lets start off by saying lying and distortion didn't work for McCain/Palin and it still doesn't work. I enjoy a good debate but please lets pull our heads out of our rectum and remember this isnt the 2008 elections. We can be accurate for a change.
About 20 plus bombings have been credited to the Weatherman Underground. The last one was in January 1975. That bombing was said to have been for the escalation of the war in Nam. A bombing in mid 1974 was cedited to the W.U. In April of 1975 the North invaded the South and the last US helicopter left Saigon.
Please list all of the bombings that occured after late 74 or early 75 that would qualify as "most of ".

Everything I said is true so what part falls into no idea?? Since you are so well informed when was he arrested for the charges you describe? Are you talking about the 80's when he turned himself in?
Lets see the Government can lock you up with no charges, torture, make you disappear but they dropped all charges against Ayers cause they did some illegal wiretaps? Pssst I can get you a deal on the Brooklyn Bridge if your interested in it.
And now a new inside scoop. Ayers was involved in the death of 2 guards but the Government didn't want to press charges again because??
Dorhn was not prosecuted for the crimes because??
Ayers and Dohrn, finally surfaced in 1980, were duly investigated by the FBI, and were essentially let off, although Dohrn was given three years' probation.

We are talking about a "long ago" 1968.

[Red Regal T]

Will Sarah be viable in 2012? Inquiring minds need to know.

[salvageV6]

She'll be viable for me.

Viperidiot will be long gone however.

Lots of people still remember Ted Kennedy killing that young girl in 1969.

Long ago...

Leftard excuses.....

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by Red Regal T

Will Sarah be viable in 2012? Inquiring minds need to know.

Palin is already toast. She wasn't viable in 2008 she already has too much baggage (not referring to the 200k shopping spree for her and her family).
Running the State from her home, great family values (daughter with child no father) daughters sperm donor drug dealing mom, obtaining her foreign policy education from the roof of her home etc etc. When you start off a laughing stock its hard to repair the damage.
The left will do everything it can to promote her for the conservative ticket.
Will some still vote for her ? Yes the same bafoons who think Nixon was innocent and GW did a great job.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by salvageV6

She'll be viable for me.

Viperidiot will be long gone however.

Lots of people still remember Ted Kennedy killing that young girl in 1969.

Long ago...

Leftard excuses.....

Lets see now Ted one, GW 100k dead and still counting. We can add one more to the list of Palin supporters. This vote should be enough to convince her not too run.

[rtviper]

Originally Posted by salvageV6

She'll be viable for me.

Viperidiot will be long gone however.

Lots of people still remember Ted Kennedy killing that young girl in 1969.

Long ago...

Leftard excuses.....

Lets see now Ted one, GW 100k dead and still counting. We can add one more to the list of Palin supporters. This vote should be enough to convince her not too run.
Damn where were you last summer. McCain could have used your advice and brought up Obama pals around with murderers?? Ted and Obama are in the White House at the same time= paling around.
Salvage you should do something about the uncontrollable eye rolling. it is one of many things holding you back.

[salvageV6]

100K and counting...... maybe he will get some of our resident and of course Chicago resident lying lefty home brewed domestic terrorists too.

Don't like the eyeballs eh?