61 Flip flops by McLAME:

quickerthanmost · #1 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 10:06 AM

yes, let's elect this man who has changed his mind so many times just to please the BASE. Let's see how mccain feels on a few subjects, then tell me you want this man's 'experience' running this country.

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."
4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.
8. McCain supported moving "toward normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Military Policy
14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."
15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good idea and a bad idea.
16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."
17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.
18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.
Domestic Policy
19. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)
20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.
21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.
22. He argued that the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.
23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
24. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.
25. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.
27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. before he supported it.
28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.
29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.
Economic Policy
31. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.
32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics.
33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.
34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.
36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."
37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.
38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.
Energy Policy
39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling; now he's against it.
40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.
41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to be voluntary.
42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.
43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.
Immigration Policy
44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.
45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.
46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority."
Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law
47. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.
48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.
49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform
50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.

51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
Politics and Associations
53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't.
54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.
55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.
56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.
58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the honorary co-chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

NM Tom · #2 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 11:02 AM

Just months ago Biden, Hillary and Bill all proclained Obama unqualified, unexsperienced, and not ready to be president. Now they are all gushing on how ready he is...talk about flip flopping!

KILL4PEACEUSMC · #3 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 11:04 AM

Yea, but his VP is do-a-ble! MILF baby!

Black Power · #4 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 11:05 AM

Neat list. Some of those were real flip flops, some were just stretches to add to the total number.

I wonder if anyone has had the time to compile a list of wonder boy's flip flops. It would take a while...even though he hasn't been at it for very long he sure does have a lot of screwups.

PowerSics · #5 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 12:34 PM

I didn't read Juan's flip flop list. I'm sure most of the examples are true. So, I'm with you to the point that McCain is an idiot, a person who condones the destruction of US sovereignty, and a Bushbot, but if you think that Obama is any better, that's where we would part company. They're both equally disastrous for America because they are both controlled by the same cabal. Proof of this will be that there will be no substantial pulldown of troops in the ME by either one of these tools.

henschman · #6 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerSics

I didn't read Juan's flip flop list. I'm sure most of the examples are true. So, I'm with you to the point that McCain is an idiot, a person who condones the destruction of US sovereignty, and a Bushbot, but if you think that Obama is any better, that's where we would part company. They're both equally disastrous for America because they are both controlled by the same cabal. Proof of this will be that there will be no substantial pulldown of troops in the ME by either one of these tools.

i totally agree with everything you just said. They are both CFR, new world order, anti-sovereignty scum.

PowerSics · #7 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by henschman

i totally agree with everything you just said. They are both CFR, new world order, anti-sovereignty scum.

Well, it was enough to kill this thread.

Maybe if we post on the other threads exposing the fact that Obama and McCain, are both empty suits, we can kill those pointless discussions too. The election and conversation about it, is senseless minutiae. Like the now-sitting emporor, these two have no clothes, either. Empty suits like Obama and McCain need all the gimmicks they can come up with to excite their left and "right", led-by-media sycophants who imagine some good in their chosen candidate. Important issues are the last thing these two want to discuss. Both of these Benedict Arnolds, one a Communist racist, and the other a flaming liberal who's claim to fame is reaching out to the left, want to eliminate the most important issue in our country, illegal aliens and US sovereignty, by simply proclaiming by imperial edict, that illegals, are now legal. And the sycophants cheered on.

STAGE 2 · #8 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by quickerthanmost

yes, let's elect this man who has changed his mind so many times just to please the BASE. Let's see how mccain feels on a few subjects, then tell me you want this man's 'experience' running this country.

So the answer is to pick someone who has flip flopped more?

quickerthanmost · #9 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by STAGE 2

So the answer is to pick someone who has flip flopped more?

More than 62 times Show me!

STAGE 2 · #10 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by quickerthanmost

More than 62 times Show me!

Why. You would do the same thing you always do and not address the issue or point to some republican. But not to leave you totally in suspense, Obama has flipped on firearms, troop withdrawal and broke his promise to use public funding for the elections.

So one again, if flip flopping is a bad thing, why would you elect someone who has done it so blatantly.

quickerthanmost · #11 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by STAGE 2

Why. You would do the same thing you always do and not address the issue or point to some republican. But not to leave you totally in suspense, Obama has flipped on firearms, troop withdrawal and broke his promise to use public funding for the elections.

So one again, if flip flopping is a bad thing, why would you elect someone who has done it so blatantly.

Because there aren't

John McCain doesn't support legislation sponsored by John McCain _ that is truly Hillarious

I bet you wish you could call webster's and get Flip Flop removed from the dictionary- at least until november.

You are BEAT

IEATV8S · #12 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 07:35 PM

quickerthanmost · #13 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 07:41 PM

Got another 40 or so Flip Flops to = MC LAME?????????????????????????????????

IEATV8S · #14 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by quickerthanmost

Got another 40 or so Flip Flops to = MC LAME?????????????????????????????????

I know It's HARD`to understand when I write that the JACKIE MASON VIDEO has 44 FLIPS by itself, and YES, there are many more FLIPS I haven't posted!!!!

STUPID, GET YOUR BRAIN CELLS TUNED UP! Your 40 years old supposedly, time for an adjustment into MANHOOD!!!!

quickerthanmost · #15 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 07:48 PM

and you are 400lbs. time to grow up and take care of yourself

IEATV8S · #16 (**permalink**) August 29th, 2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by quickerthanmost

and you are 400lbs. time to grow up and take care of yourself

Yes, I eat lobster, steak, and lots of pastry! You, on the other hand ,suck off all the little faggot leftists! No wonder you are 100 lbs.!