Voting Machine Fraud. The fix is (was) in. The 2000 & 2004 Elections were rigged.

[Squeelr]

Make sure you watch the 8 segments of interviews on Youtube with Stephen Spoonamore (a life long Republican that has worked on Giuliani's campaign, Bloomberg's campaign and John McCain's campaign.

This is for real.

I've included a link to the actual lawsuit that has been filed in Ohio at the bottom. Bush and Diebold stole the 2000 & 2004 elections electronically plain and simple. Which is why Bush and his cronies have combatted paper reciepts & transparentcy in the machines software code.

Leading Computer Security Expert Slams Diebold
In an interview from October, 2006, that has only now seen the light of day, Stephen Spoonamore, one of the world's leading experts in cyber crime and a self-described "life-long Republican" destroys Diebold's already non-existent credibility.

Spoonamore lays it out for anyone to see and understand. If you care about America and it's survival as a democratic republic, you'll watch this interview.

The interviews are on YouTube and are being carried by a new site created by Velvet Revolution, RoveCyberGate.com.

Read below the fold for details and background.

There is a civil suit pending in Ohio, King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell. We covered a July 17 press conference about this case here. The issues in this case are complex, but in a nutshell, some Ohio voters filed a lawsuit about the 2004 election. These voters want to get the deposition of Mike Connell, a Republican IT expert who set up Ohio's computers for the 2004 election while simultaneously running the IT network for the Bush/Cheney 2004 campaign.

Connell's allegiance is clear; he is the co-owner of Connell Donatelli Inc., the company that was the registrant, administrator, and tech organizer of the website for the so-called Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. Connell has also been called "a high-tech Forrest Gump" who was "'at the scene of every crime' for numerous questionable elections since 2000."

The plaintiffs are working with an expert witness, Stephen Spoonamore. Spoonamore, according to Arnebeck, "works for credit card companies chasing data thieves, identity thieves around the globe, and also consults with government agencies including the Secret Service, the Pentagon, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in criminal matters. [He's] really one of the top, and in fact the top private cop in the world on the subject of data security."

In this interview, "Spoon," as his friends call him, cuts through the lies and dissembling of Diebold and explains in language that anyone can understand how our elections have been stolen and how they are going to be stolen again. Even though this interview is almost two years old, the issues are still, unfortunately, germane to our elections.

The interview is broken into eight segments, and each segment is only a few minutes long. We urge you to watch each segment for yourself, which won't take very long. It is only through an electorate that is educated about the problems with electronic voting and the lies told by the e-voting companies that we will have a chance to take our elections back from the crooks who are currently in control of them.

Following are some excerpts from the interview, but we urge you to watch the entire thing.

In segment one:
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 1)

Spoon explains that Diebold "refuse[s] to show the architecture [of their voting machines] or allow it to be exposed to any kind of significant expert." He says, "The people who ... they claim have certified their machines have no knowledge of architecture whatsoever."

Spoon continues, "The fundamental structures that Diebold has used to set up their voting machines are inherently flawed. They are what I would consider IT junk."

He explains how a Diebold ATM is set up with checks, double checks, triple checks, and even quadruple checks to ensure that the machine works the way it is supposed to. And, adds Spoon, "Those people [the people who check a bank's ATM] are not from Diebold. One of them is from the installation group and one of them is from the bank. Otherwise, the [ATM] machine is not certified for use."

When the interviewer says, "So what you're saying is there's more security regarding the dispensing of a $20 bill and the fact that if you don't get that $20 bill, there is more of an audit system set up [as compared to any audit system for the counting of our votes]," Spoon replies, "Of course."

Regarding the 2000 elections, he says, "There is a very strong argument to be made that the 2000 election was electronically stolen, the hanging chads were just a distraction."

In segment two:
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 2)

Spoon talks about the Department of Homeland Security's warning via the US-CERT Center (the United States' Cyber Emergency Response Team) "warning that the way Diebold systems are architected in the way the tabulators communicate to the central state tabulation center is subject to foreign national hacking [as well as hacking from within the U.S.]. They put out a warning about it. To the best of my knowledge, this is still the case." He explains how this can happen.

On to segment three.
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 3)

In talking about memory cards, which hold the electronic votes and are fed into tabulation machines and which have extensive security flaws, Spoon explains a serious issue regarding negative vote numbers.

Spoonamore:
There has been repeated issues [sic] where people have said they've seen votes backing up in tabulators as cards are put in [meaning votes are being subtracted instead of added]. Okay, well that would indicate that something in that program is not adding cards forward, it may be adding cards backward.
...

There is no reason in the world a negative number should ever be able to exist on a voting card. And yet, in all the voting card code that I've looked at, Diebold has a negative field that allows a negative number to be entered in a vote total. Why? Why would you want -- to steal votes. That way you can start with a card that has negative a hundred votes for somebody, then it takes them a hundred votes before they're even back to zero.

Interviewer:
And yet Diebold does not allow, for proprietary reasons, anyone to review the vote tabulation software?

Spoonamore:
They let us work on their cash machines, but no, they won't let anybody see their software.

Interviewer:
Any thoughts as to why?

Spoonamore:
Because they're stealing elections.

Referring to the 2002 election results in Georgia, where Republican Saxby Chambliss defeated incumbent Senator Max Cleland, Spoon says, "If you look at the case of Saxby Chambliss, that's ridiculous. The man was not elected. He lost that election by five points. Max Cleland won. They flipped the votes, clear as day."

Spoonamore continues:

"I do not believe George Bush won [in 2004], I believe Kerry won. And I'm a member of the GOP. But I want to make it clear: we need to live in a place where your [a candidate's] election actually is reflected in the vote. I want my candidate to win, but if my candidate loses, I care a lot more about the process than I care about the victory."Would that all Americans thought that way.

And segment four.
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 4)

Spoon discusses the infamous Georgia patch from the 2002 election. "I've personally reviewed a number of pieces of code from Diebold. It's garbage. Some of the code is awful. I reviewed the patch that they put in Georgia, 2002, that many of them claimed is a clock function. It's not a clock function, it's a comparator function. ... If it were me and I were to guess what that code is, it's a vote flipping code. It's not a clock function, that I know."

Segment Five:
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 4)

Interviewer:
So this is not a partisan issue?

Spoonamore:
It shouldn't be. This is a fascist issue. People who don't want voting and want fascist control but have people think they're voting. I mean, people forget the fact there was voting in Hitler's Germany. Guess what? He won with 90% of the vote all the time. There was voting in Saddam's Iraq. And guess what? Saddam won the vote all the time. Well, did they win? Was that actually the will of the voter? Was that the way the votes were even cast?

Spoonamore goes on to explain that with credit cards, at least 2.5% of all transactions are fraudulent, and that they cannot get that number any lower. He believes that electronic voting, no matter how transparent and secure, will also have an error rate, whether from fraud or flawed technology or both, of at least 2.5%.

Do you want to have a system in place where there is a permanent background of electronic voting fraud of 2-and-a-half percent? That means you have to win an election by a minimum of 3% to know that you've won? I don't. Paper ballots, please. That's the only thing that can be secure.

Segment six:
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 6)

Interviewer:
[Regarding the Harri Hursti hack] Diebold has come back every time and said, "Well, you know, that hack can't happen."

Spoonamore:
They're lying. They're lying. Diebold is lying.

Interviewer:
What, their systems can't be hacked?

Spoonamore:
There is no system, electronic, in the world that cannot be hacked. I've spent my entire life building or hacking electronic systems. ... There is no system in the world -- none -- that cannot be hacked. ... End of discussion.

Interviewer:
Then how do you secure such a piece of equipment then?

Spoonamore:
You don't. You use paper ballots. I can't make it any clearer than this. You cannot have secure electronic voting. It doesn't exist. ... You must have paper ballots.

Spoon continues: "There are people out there -- and there is [sic] a lot of them -- who don't really want to win elections. What they want to do is they want to steal them. ... I don't want to have a society where we're not sure who won. I want to live in a democracy where there is a valid capacity to audit the entire trail."

Well said, Mr. Spoonamore.

Segment seven:
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 7)

"I think they [the Diebold machines] are brilliantly designed. They're designed to steal elections. ... There are back doors in the tabulations machines, which is what the US-CERT warning is about. There's a backdoor communication that allows secondary computers to talk to the actual tabulators electronically from a distance." Spoon goes on to describe some of the technical details of electronic voting machine election fraud.

And lastly, segment eight:
YouTube - Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore (segment 8)

Interviewer:

Many people who are denying problems, they're saying, "Oh well, these are just Democrats signaling alarms -- "

Spoonamore:
I'm a Republican. I'm a Republican, I worked on Giuliani's campaign, I worked on Bloomberg's campaign, I worked on John McCain's campaign. I've been a life-long member of the party. This is not a Democrat/Republican issue. This is not a partisan issue. This is a democracy issue. If you actually care about a constitutional democracy in which each person votes, that vote is validated, and the people who end up in office are reflected on the basis of the way people voted, you care about this issue.

If you don't want people to vote, if you don't want people's vote to count, and you want to rule without owning it by a mandate, then you are very supportive of Diebold.


Relative to this statement from Mr. Spoonamore, please watch this youtube clip of Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the Heritage Foundation and the Moral Majority, talking about voting:

That's a rare and candid admission of a still on-going strategy to prevent Americans from registering and/or voting.

The interview continues:

Interviewer:
I mean, who's stealing the votes? If what you say is true, who wants to steal the elections?

Spoonamore:
I certainly know that in all the statistical information, it seems that in every single bizarre circumstance where exit data, polling data, or informational data swings, it has all been in favor of Republicans. But not the sort of Republicans who I want to see in office at all. These are people who lie and people who cheat. That is not the conservative way. Conservatives conserve things. We are respectful and we are constitutionally based.

You know what the real problem is? People do not want to believe that people want to steal elections in this country. I've done extensive work over the years for voting monitoring overseas. If we had a variance in the exit polling of even 2% from what actually was tabulated -- which is exactly how the Orange Revolution came about in Ukraine -- we would be in there explaining to people something is wrong.

We have had numerous elections in this country now in which -- where you use Diebold Election System machines -- that what happens with the vote is way off, five, ten, as much as twelve percent from the exit polling and the actual survey. These statistical numbers are impossible.

And the problem is Americans do not want to believe that we have people stealing our elections. And they must come to the realization there are people in this country who want to steal elections, and we must stop them.


If you've read this far, you clearly care about this issue. Please, we implore all Americans to contact their state's secretary of state, their House representative, and their Senators and DEMAND they ban the use of electronic voting machines. Demand that all elections in the United States be conducted:

1) with a hand-marked paper ballot for every vote;

2) the ballots counted publicly and transparently at each precinct;

3) citizens allowed by law to observe the ballots being counted;

4) precinct results posted publicly before being sent to the central tabulator.

Cybergate.
YouTube - Cybergate

Stage? Wanna look into this?
Election Law @ Moritz - Litigation (King Lincoln Bronzeville Neighborhood Association v. Blackwell)

[BlownZ]

I have a headache.

I can't believe its almost 2009 and this rubbish is still being posted here.

I am sad for people.

[UNGN]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

I have a headache.

I can't believe its almost 2009 and this rubbish is still being posted here.

I am sad for people.

That's why they call them "losers".

[The Blob]

I am glad that those elections were rigged. The end justified the means.

This country has gotten to the point where the majority of people are too stupid to know what's good for them (and therefore vote Democrat).

Hopefully the Republicans rig the upcoming one as well.

[Squeelr]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

I have a headache.

I can't believe its almost 2009 and this rubbish is still being posted here.

I am sad for people.

I can't believe that the republicans ran a witchunt over Clinton and a B.J. almost 10 years ago. A blow job gentleman. He didn't lie about WMD's. He didn't lie about not torturing. He didn't lie about wiretapping Americans. He lied about a blow job and the Republicans hunted him like a fox in the countryside of England.

A couple of years ago somebody tried telling you about the massive debt Americans were incurring. Was that person right Z? That same person tried telling you about the alarming rate of foreclosures as well Z. Are you ready to eat some crow and say you were wrong and that person was right? Smart guy.

Whats sad is, you act like you know better...when its clear you dont.

Hows that whole importing of parts from China going for you by the way? Helping our economy? Do you know where we stand today in how much money we own foreign countries? Do you know how much foreign interests now own the USA?

Fiscally, this country is in really bad shape. Thanks to Republicans blocking & removing good and logical regulations that were in place, banks are falling by the wayside one after the other. And thanks to the fiscal and energy polices of these Republican politicians, we haven't had an energy policy which has turned into a tax on the American people. Same with their money grubbing policies of privatising everything. At least leaving things the way they were left SOME kind of accountability. Nowadays we've got private contractors in Iraq with ZERO accountability charging our govt 5-10 for services we could VERY well provide.

I have a headache with people that are asleep at the wheel and do nothing to change the status quo.

Whats worse is, you didn't even bother to look at the reality of this story. Its totally for real. Theres a lawsuit in place. They're trying to move it forward...and they will either before or after the election. Just like this true Republican said in one of the youtube interviews, he is a Republican. He wants to see democracy in action. He wants to live in a country where we can have honest and accountable elections. You mean to tell me, after hearing the sobering facts that he tells (which many before him have clearly proved about the Diebold voting machines)...a person who was obviously, professionally involved with this Republican campaigns, that you don't think he knows what he's talking about.

Its obvious you didn't bother to research the magnitude of the situation.

And no, I didn't believe 9-11 was a setup. The buildings weren't rigged with explosive charges. A plane with a missle was not flown into the buildings. Could we have done better with catching these culprits? Yes. Could we have taken out those planes before it happened? Yes. The facts are in on that issue, but the Pentagon for some reason didn't scramble NORAD that day. Even though they were practicing trial runs that day to take out an airliner in such a situation.

Originally Posted by the blob

I am glad that those elections were rigged. The end justified the means.
This country has gotten to the point where the majority of people are too stupid to know what's good for them (and therefore vote Democrat).
Hopefully the Republicans rig the upcoming one as well.

So? I guess that whole talk about creating nations that are Democratic in nature is just a bunch of talk for you.

Obviously.

The truth is, Republicans or conservatives can't win anything fair and square. At least not the neo-cons that have been running the country as of late. They use strong arm tactics and hide behind squinty beady eyed lawyers to "
'interprit' the Constitution for them. I guess Democratic Republic is just a speech line for you.

At least the real Republicans of the 70's, when faced with the facts that Nixon committed crimes realized the moral thing to do was to have impeachment hearings. Whereas Republicans like yourself are ok with breaking the law and are actually smug about it. Thats disgusting and you are not an American. We are a country of laws. Read and study John Adams' words sometime.

Originally Posted by UNGN

That's why they call them "losers".

You must suffer from short term memory. The 2006 elections were a landslide. And back then you didn't think there would be as many seats in the house and senate changing over. UNGN. Sounds like you guys lost badly this last election. And this election you're poised to lose a lot more seats in the house and the senate again. And more likely than not, lose the Preisdency as well.

The democrats have learned a good lesson from the neanderthal puritains (conservatives) in this country. You can't trust them as far as you can throw a Buick.

Nice 'moral' bunch you fellows are.

[UNGN]

Originally Posted by Squeelr

The democrats have learned a good lesson from the neanderthal puritains (conservatives) in this country. You can't trust them as far as you can throw a Buick.

Yeah.

That's why Obama picked a Lamer like Biden.

Still waiting for ONE Liberal to defend that one.

OBVIOUSLY he was going to pick Edwards and that would have actually been a good ticket for moonbats such as yourself, but all those "good lessons" that Edwards learned from Republicans were all for naught.

[NM Tom]

Originally Posted by Squeelr

I can't believe that the republicans ran a witchunt over Clinton and a B.J. almost 10 years ago. A blow job gentleman. He didn't lie about WMD's. He didn't lie about not torturing. He didn't lie about wiretapping Americans. He lied about a blow job and the Republicans hunted him like a fox in the countryside of England.

A couple of years ago somebody tried telling you about the massive debt Americans were incurring. Was that person right Z? That same person tried telling you about the alarming rate of foreclosures as well Z. Are you ready to eat some crow and say you were wrong and that person was right? Smart guy.

Whats sad is, you act like you know better...when its clear you dont.

Hows that whole importing of parts from China going for you by the way? Helping our economy? Do you know where we stand today in how much money we own foreign countries? Do you know how much foreign interests now own the USA?

Fiscally, this country is in really bad shape. Thanks to Republicans blocking & removing good and logical regulations that were in place, banks are falling by the wayside one after the other. And thanks to the fiscal and energy polices of these Republican politicians, we haven't had an energy policy which has turned into a tax on the American people. Same with their money grubbing policies of privatising everything. At least leaving things the way they were left SOME kind of accountability. Nowadays we've got private contractors in Iraq with ZERO accountability charging our govt 5-10 for services we could VERY well provide.

I have a headache with people that are asleep at the wheel and do nothing to change the status quo.

Whats worse is, you didn't even bother to look at the reality of this story. Its totally for real. Theres a lawsuit in place. They're trying to move it forward...and they will either before or after the election. Just like this true Republican said in one of the youtube interviews, he is a Republican. He wants to see democracy in action. He wants to live in a country where we can have honest and accountable elections. You mean to tell me, after hearing the sobering facts that he tells (which many before him have clearly proved about the Diebold voting machines)...a person who was obviously, professionally involved with this Republican campaigns, that you don't think he knows what he's talking about.

Its obvious you didn't bother to research the magnitude of the situation.

And no, I didn't believe 9-11 was a setup. The buildings weren't rigged with explosive charges. A plane with a missle was not flown into the buildings. Could we have done better with catching these culprits? Yes. Could we have taken out those planes before it happened? Yes. The facts are in on that issue, but the Pentagon for some reason didn't scramble NORAD that day. Even though they were practicing trial runs that day to take out an airliner in such a situation.



So? I guess that whole talk about creating nations that are Democratic in nature is just a bunch of talk for you.

Obviously.

The truth is, Republicans or conservatives can't win anything fair and square. At least not the neo-cons that have been running the country as of late. They use strong arm tactics and hide behind squinty beady eyed lawyers to "
'interprit' the Constitution for them. I guess Democratic Republic is just a speech line for you.

At least the real Republicans of the 70's, when faced with the facts that Nixon committed crimes realized the moral thing to do was to have impeachment hearings. Whereas Republicans like yourself are ok with breaking the law and are actually smug about it. Thats disgusting and you are not an American. We are a country of laws. Read and study John Adams' words sometime.



You must suffer from short term memory. The 2006 elections were a landslide. And back then you didn't think there would be as many seats in the house and senate changing over. UNGN. Sounds like you guys lost badly this last election. And this election you're poised to lose a lot more seats in the house and the senate again. And more likely than not, lose the Preisdency as well.

The democrats have learned a good lesson from the neanderthal puritains (conservatives) in this country. You can't trust them as far as you can throw a Buick.

Nice 'moral' bunch you fellows are.

Funny how you mention the 2006 election as being a landslide victory. Seems that all these voting machines worked fine in 2006. Where was all the outcry about elections being stolen then? So, if the DEM's win they work great but if the REPUB's win they don't work right....

[Squeelr]

Originally Posted by NM Tom

Funny how you mention the 2006 election as being a landslide victory. Seems that all these voting machines worked fine in 2006. Where was all the outcry about elections being stolen then? So, if the DEM's win they work great but if the REPUB's win they don't work right....

I'm surprised you didn't know this there NMTom.

The dems knew that if they were going to combat the irregular voting machines, they needed to show up in numbers. Just like this election. You'll see. Maybe thats why Obama is registering voters in record numbers?

Say what you will. But the facts are there. There is a lawsuit and its backed with factual data by the guy who was working for several prominent Republican politicians. He is referred to BY REPUBLICANS as an IT guru.

And there were voting irregularities in 2006. I guess you didn't know that either. Did you?

[NM Tom]

Originally Posted by Squeelr

I'm surprised you didn't know this there NMTom.

The dems knew that if they were going to combat the irregular voting machines, they needed to show up in numbers. Just like this election. You'll see. Maybe thats why Obama is registering voters in record numbers?

Say what you will. But the facts are there. There is a lawsuit and its backed with factual data by the guy who was working for several prominent Republican politicians. He is referred to BY REPUBLICANS as an IT guru.

And there were voting irregularities in 2006. I guess you didn't know that either. Did you?

Of course there were irregularities, just like EVERY election from the beginning of time. I suppose you think there has only been election fraud since the dreaded electronic machines were invented.

Just because somebody filed a lawsuit does not mean it all must be true. I hate to tell you that there are alot of friviolus lawsuits filed every day. Though I will admit that any system "can" be hacked, it still takes more skill and effort to do that than to just stuff extra paper ballots into a box that one person holds the key to.

Stuffed ballot boxes, boxes found after elections, dead people voting, people voting more than once, illegals voting without any ID, the list goes on and on. Voter fraud has gone on with both sides throughout time.

Best way to solve all these problems....everybody vote for pesident on their 2008 tax return, everybody votes and most fraud eliminated!

[a trail rider]

I did it... I did it ALL!!! I was in FL in 2000 and OH in 2004!! It was all me!!!

Somehow, we had no serious issues in 2002 or 2006... So you see, I chose the President! LOL

The really tough part is, people are still interested in the LIES from the left... "It was RIGGED!!!" "Now I proved it!!!" PLEASE!!!

And SQUEELR... Clinton DID lie about WMD if Bush did... BOZO... They BOTH SAID WMD's WERE IN IRAQ!! Now please step out of the clown suit and put down the crack pipe! He was chased after for 3yrs, but not so much by Republicans. Rather, by independent attorneys for the womEn suing him. You're in here brining up an issue 8yrs old... WHILE KNOWING that it just doesn't matter.


For this election, I think we'll see more Democrats CRYING LIKE TWO YR OLDS after their "boy wonder" gets beaten by the largest margin in the history of the country! The odds are every bit as good for that to happen as they are for Obama to win.

[henschman]

i haven't seen any convincing proof that elections were rigged, but one thing i really don't understand is why there is so much resistance in so many places to making the voting process more transparent. if it's not a conspiracy, they're sure acting like it is. that doesn't help imo.

kind of like 9/11 -- the government might not have engineered the plot, but they sure did take full advantage of it to pass every sort of law they could think of, almost as if they HAD planned it.

i don't really believe either the non-transparent voting system or the government's response to 9/11 were conspiracies, but they are both big problems that we need to address!

i also really don't see a problem in having a more thorough investigation of either one.

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by Squeelr

I can't believe that the republicans ran a witchunt over Clinton and a B.J. almost 10 years ago. A blow job gentleman. He didn't lie about WMD's. He didn't lie about not torturing. He didn't lie about wiretapping Americans. He lied about a blow job and the Republicans hunted him like a fox in the countryside of England.

Worrying about Clinton and his BJ was stupid too. Using that as your defense is...well....stupid. Because the Republicans are stupid gives the Democrats the right to be stupid?

We're doomed I tell you.

A couple of years ago somebody tried telling you about the massive debt Americans were incurring. Was that person right Z? That same person tried telling you about the alarming rate of foreclosures as well Z. Are you ready to eat some crow and say you were wrong and that person was right? Smart guy.

I have no idea what you are talking about....but stupid people who go into debt deeper than they can afford to get what they deserve.

I am confident that was my position then....and I am confident that is my position now. I don't know what point you think you are proving.....but it didn't work.

Whats sad is, you act like you know better...when its clear you dont.

Yes...you're right. I don't get it.

Hows that whole importing of parts from China going for you by the way? Helping our economy? Do you know where we stand today in how much money we own foreign countries? Do you know how much foreign interests now own the USA?

Again.....you have no point...but let me use your logic on you....who gave China Most Favored Nations trading status and removed all of the roadblocks to doing business with them?

Fiscally, this country is in really bad shape. Thanks to Republicans blocking & removing good and logical regulations that were in place, banks are falling by the wayside one after the other. And thanks to the fiscal and energy polices of these Republican politicians, we haven't had an energy policy which has turned into a tax on the American people. Same with their money grubbing policies of privatising everything. At least leaving things the way they were left SOME kind of accountability. Nowadays we've got private contractors in Iraq with ZERO accountability charging our govt 5-10 for services we could VERY well provide.

See this...is where I seperate myself from you and show that I do get it. It isn't the Republicans....it's the POLITICIANS that do that. It doesn't matter which side is in power.....they serve THEMSELVES....NOT the interest of American people.

Democrats OR Republicans....it doesn't matter. They serve their own interests and screw the rest of us.

I have a headache with people that are asleep at the wheel and do nothing to change the status quo.

Whats worse is, you didn't even bother to look at the reality of this story. Its totally for real. Theres a lawsuit in place. They're trying to move it forward...and they will either before or after the election. Just like this true Republican said in one of the youtube interviews, he is a Republican. He wants to see democracy in action. He wants to live in a country where we can have honest and accountable elections. You mean to tell me, after hearing the sobering facts that he tells (which many before him have clearly proved about the Diebold voting machines)...a person who was obviously, professionally involved with this Republican campaigns, that you don't think he knows what he's talking about.

Their are lawsuits in place suing Martians for anal probes....doesn't mean it happened.

Its obvious you didn't bother to research the magnitude of the situation.

And no, I didn't believe 9-11 was a setup. The buildings weren't rigged with explosive charges. A plane with a missle was not flown into the buildings. Could we have done better with catching these culprits? Yes. Could we have taken out those planes before it happened? Yes. The facts are in on that issue, but the Pentagon for some reason didn't scramble NORAD that day. Even though they were practicing trial runs that day to take out an airliner in such a situation.

We were too naive at that time to shoot down an American Airliner FULL of American citizens over an American city full of people.

The Boston to New York flight path is extremely populated so shooting it down isn't guaranteed to be the right answer.

So? I guess that whole talk about creating nations that are Democratic in nature is just a bunch of talk for you.

Obviously.

The truth is, Republicans or conservatives can't win anything fair and square. At least not the neo-cons that have been running the country as of late. They use strong arm tactics and hide behind squinty beady eyed lawyers to "
'interprit' the Constitution for them. I guess Democratic Republic is just a speech line for you.

Sorry...but it isn't a PARTY issue......they're both corrupt and dirty. If you think otherwise then you are either naive or a boob.

You pick.

At least the real Republicans of the 70's, when faced with the facts that Nixon committed crimes realized the moral thing to do was to have impeachment hearings. Whereas Republicans like yourself are ok with breaking the law and are actually smug about it. Thats disgusting and you are not an American. We are a country of laws. Read and study John Adams' words sometime.

Don't start handing out homework again.....it didn't work for you the first time and it won't this time.

You must suffer from short term memory. The 2006 elections were a landslide. And back then you didn't think there would be as many seats in the house and senate changing over. UNGN. Sounds like you guys lost badly this last election. And this election you're poised to lose a lot more seats in the house and the senate again. And more likely than not, lose the Preisdency as well.


The democrats have learned a good lesson from the neanderthal puritains (conservatives) in this country. You can't trust them as far as you can throw a Buick.

Nice 'moral' bunch you fellows are.

At least you're still funny to listen to.