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August 26th, 2008, 05:42 PM
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BOMBSHELL: Obama is a citizen of the United States
FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A. August 21, 2008 The truth about Obama's birth certificate. Summary In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake." We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said. Analysis Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News. Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life? Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site? Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it. Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate? Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce. Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are: The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal. It isn't signed. No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version. In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters. The certificate number is blacked out. The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008. The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth." Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs. The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp The raised seal Blowup of text You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes. The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above. The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response. The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process. We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641. Blowup of certificate number Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible. We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen." We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over." In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961: Obama's birth announcement The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu. Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A. Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be. When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes." –by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller Sources United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008. State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008. Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.
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August 26th, 2008, 05:50 PM
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BOMBSHELL: Barack Obama Is Not a US Citizen, Not Eligible to be US President
IEATVS already brought this out... like 3days ago. But it's a funny and good read. 
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August 26th, 2008, 05:56 PM
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I was thinking, maybe just adding is would've been a better idea. Then I was thinking you'd rather not for obvious reasons. Anyway... It what it is, but I see no pics.
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August 26th, 2008, 06:23 PM
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Please post a LINK to that info as I would like to review it for myself, and I'm sure others on this forum would also like to look at their information and how they made a conclusion!
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August 26th, 2008, 07:05 PM
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FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
Whew that was tough to find.  " Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A." Last edited by 86NYGN : August 26th, 2008 at 07:08 PM.
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August 26th, 2008, 07:19 PM
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Since the question had been brought up MONTHS ago, why wasn't the Obama campaign ready to disprove these allegations immediately, and save themselves a court suit, and a lot of BAD PUBLICITY? They have a SMEAR website and a FAST RESPONSE group, where were they? Doesn't that seem odd, as they are right on top of McLame's video's, and other NEGATIVE information put out on the messiah? How come this current certificate has one date, but yet, the other SUPPOSED INTERNET Certificate shown on Obama's website and now scrubbed, had another date stamp on it? There are more questions, but perhaps, someone can answer these for me now, as these seem to contradict LOGIC, and observed other information. Just as an aside, has anyone seen a MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE between Obama's mother and his father? Not that it is necessary, but would certainly PROVE that they were legally married! It does appear that his father was either a bigamist or just had a bastard son.
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August 26th, 2008, 07:19 PM
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Since I don't really want to go view the certificate myself, that will have to do. Provided it is deemed legitimate/authentic, that's a done deal.
I'm still not sure overall though, about the age of mother issue others have brought up in the past. Side note: I like the newspaper add... "Mr and Mrs. Barack Obama" ... as if the marriage itself was really legitimate. And it reminds me of someone stating the "obvious" about McCain divorcing his 1st wife for a second... At least McCain divorced the 1st and didn't end up with a bastard child. But those would claim McCain is wretched when Obama is a prodigal son... a bastard son, considering his father was already married when he "hooked up" with the "trash" which was Obama's mother. But enough about that... The record appears to be normal from here. I just think the whole issue is laughable and Barack COULD have done something about it immediately and chose not to for whatever sad reason.
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August 26th, 2008, 07:27 PM
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This thread is supposed to be about Obama's birth certificate correct? So that means it has nothing to do with McCain correct? This is what you posted in another thread,
" The fact is, this thread was started about the Biden pick... What has President Bush got to do with that? Oh yeah, NOTHING! What has John McCain got to do with it either? Again, NOTHING! But in a Democrats brain, attacking the messengers and AVOIDING the message, particularly if it contains hurtful truths... Well, it's the ONLY way to go." Get my point? Seems as the shoe fits you like a glove. 
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August 26th, 2008, 10:43 PM
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Messiah supporters......Now what can that red flag be that they are waving?????!!!!!!
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August 27th, 2008, 09:03 AM
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Strangely quiet in this thread. Funny how that happens when one of the "boys" is called out. Don't see any of the "usual bashers" jumping in to fray like they do when a supposed "lefty lib" is caught being a hypocrit.
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August 27th, 2008, 09:20 AM
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Yeah...kinda quiet in here. I heard that the whole thing about Larry Sinclair living with IEATV8's is true because I read it on the internets. Looks like eating V8's isn't the only thing he eats. 
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August 27th, 2008, 10:31 AM
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ROTFL.........................Now thats funny, but a very scary visual!!! I can see the headlines: EX NY COP TAKES IT ON THE CHIN.....................................
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August 27th, 2008, 10:32 AM
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My point is clear... You haven't said a thing about this subject, like the other. All you want to do is attack others. I added a side note and said that's what it is, AFTER the actual subject was addressed. See where you fail? You should, but then it seems to be so normal for you that maybe you just can't tell. Do yourself a favor and don't jump on this train. It clearly moves to fast for you. Have a good day.
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August 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM
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