Time to invade Pakistan!

[Weester]

"According to U.S. terrorism experts, the threat to the United States emanating from Pakistan's ungoverned tribal areas is comparable to the one it faced from Afghanistan on September 11, 2001. Al-Qaeda "has hundreds of training camps" scattered throughout the region, says a western official in Pakistan with access to some intelligence reports. "Most are less than an acre in size, so they are difficult to detect." But at the moment Pakistan has little to no ability to tackle the problem. What it does have is a weak, fractured government whose sole focus is on trying to figure out who is running the country. The parliamentary coalition that eclipsed the former military leader, Pervez Musharraf, spends most of its time in office wrangling over positions of power, neglecting the country's most pressing problems. Any long-term strategy on dealing with militants is just being pushed aside. "It's like nobody is minding the store," fumes Shaukat Qadir, a retired brigadier. "If they don't start paying attention, we will be in trouble."

[henschman]

i guess that's what we get for supporting an unelected military dictator just because he says he is "pro-US." Is there any wonder there is political turmoil in that country and they can't do anything about terrorists in their own back yard?

chalk up another foreign threat created by our hyper-interventionist foreign policy.

[Weester]

Originally Posted by henschman

i guess that's what we get for supporting an unelected military dictator just because he says he is "pro-US." Is there any wonder there is political turmoil in that country and they can't do anything about terrorists in their own back yard?

chalk up another foreign threat created by our hyper-interventionist foreign policy.

Naaaaaaaaaw, we wouldnt do anything like that! We have God on our side!

[henschman]

Originally Posted by Weester

Naaaaaaaaaw, we wouldnt do anything like that! We have God on our side!

we have many gods on our side (or at least that's what they think of themselves). they are the foreign policy gurus in washington who think they know exactly what will happen, and what reaction and side effects will occur, when we intervene in all these countries all over the world.

never mind that they've never been right, at least not in the past 65 years or so.

thank God we have people like that protecting our "homeland" by making more enemies out of people that previously had nothing against us.

[Weester]

I agree with you 100%..................

[Mac in SD]

Waaahh! Waaaahhh!

Stop your whining already, will ya'? Who the f are you kidding with your "making more enemies" crap?

Invade and kill all those bastards. Why the f not?

Only we don't need to occupy. In and out. Leave a bunch of stains.

[DonWG]

LOL!!! THE MAC is BACK!!!

[UNGN]

We always been only able to trust Pakistan as far as we could throw them. It's same deal with Saudi Arabia. Their Militarys are Pro US but the civilian leadership is full of America haters.

The whole NEOCON point was to get REAL allies over there, like Germany, Japan are now even though they tried to kill us in the past.

Afghanistan would support 100% us bombing Pakistan, as would India.

The only people that wouldn't support us bombing Pakistan, if necessary, are the ones that have called for it as recently as the Democrat Debates, and that would be the Democrats.

[Weester]

"The only people that wouldn't support us bombing Pakistan, if necessary, are the ones that have called for it as recently as the Democrat Debates, and that would be the Democrats."

LOL......I think you are forgeting the majority of Americans!

Whatever happened to the "War on Terrorism"??? Didnt this administration say they would folllow them where ever they went?

[Weester]

"We always been only able to trust Pakistan as far as we could throw them. It's same deal with Saudi Arabia. Their Militarys are Pro US but the civilian leadership is full of America haters."

You cant trust ANY middle eastern country!!!

[Gothmog]

when we are attacked in the next few years, they will say that the plot was hatched in Pakistan during the Bush years when Alqueda was ignored,

so no matter who is the president next, McCain or Obama, then next terrorist attack is BUSH'S FAULT!

[IEATV8S]

Originally Posted by Weester

"We always been only able to trust Pakistan as far as we could throw them. It's same deal with Saudi Arabia. Their Militarys are Pro US but the civilian leadership is full of America haters."

You cant trust ANY middle eastern country!!!

Weepy, YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!

Let's just bomb the chit out of that whole area, turn it into craters, and don't worry about the consequences!

Any chit from those F'n muslim, and put some more craters in the center of their capital!

A few million less of these scum, couldn't hurt, and perhaps, just saying something like "we are fed up with your people's chit, and will NOT take it anymore" might START to get the message through!

Just think we'd only have 1.3 BILLION more to go! But, we'd PASS on the ones that converted to being a Christian or Jew! We can be BIG HEARTED like that!

First GOOD IDEA I've heard from you in a year! Perhaps you are starting to see the light???

[henschman]

Originally Posted by UNGN

The whole NEOCON point was to get REAL allies over there, like Germany, Japan are now even though they tried to kill us in the past.

Afghanistan would support 100% us bombing Pakistan, as would India.

and that's why the neocons are so arrogant -- they think that they can make real allies through force of arms, and by interfering with the affairs of other countries.

look at what happened with Vietnam -- we used to be at war with them, and now after we have withdrawn they are a major trading partner. trade and honest diplomacy go a lot farther toward making allies than force of arms. Granted, if they attack you, you have no choice, but how many wars have we fought since VJ day that were actually against someone who attacked us? Afghanistan is about it, if memory serves.

[DonWG]

Hitler was ignored until he started taking over Europe. America still sat on their A until when? I guess many people are content to sit on the mighty A again until another intrusion occurs? How quickly people forget.

You all need to remember the mentality of these extremists. Diplomacy will do nothing but enable and encourage the enemy to grow stronger. Look what happened in Vietnam. Bomb them, then stop to talk so the enemy can rebuild its forces and plan the next big attack. They attack and we smack them with another bombing campaign, then stop to talk again so they can have a chance to organize again. Diplomacy was the major weakness of the American people during that conflict.

[G. Price]

Originally Posted by DonWG

Hitler was ignored until he started taking over Europe. America still sat on their A until when? I guess many people are content to sit on the mighty A again until another intrusion occurs? How quickly people forget.

You all need to remember the mentality of these extremists. Diplomacy will do nothing but enable and encourage the enemy to grow stronger. Look what happened in Vietnam. Bomb them, then stop to talk so the enemy can rebuild its forces and plan the next big attack. They attack and we smack them with another bombing campaign, then stop to talk again so they can have a chance to organize again. Diplomacy was the major weakness of the American people during that conflict.

You are 100% correct. Just prepare yourself. There is going to be an onslaught of people on here dismissing what you say as not relevant. They forget or do not want to hear that we should look to history for our answers.

[henschman]

Originally Posted by DonWG

Hitler was ignored until he started taking over Europe. America still sat on their A until when? I guess many people are content to sit on the mighty A again until another intrusion occurs? How quickly people forget.

You all need to remember the mentality of these extremists. Diplomacy will do nothing but enable and encourage the enemy to grow stronger. Look what happened in Vietnam. Bomb them, then stop to talk so the enemy can rebuild its forces and plan the next big attack. They attack and we smack them with another bombing campaign, then stop to talk again so they can have a chance to organize again. Diplomacy was the major weakness of the American people during that conflict.

i agree that all the negotiation during the vietnam conflict wasn't the right way to handle a war... once war is DECLARED (which it is CONGRESS' job to do, and the Constitution doesn't actually allow them to delegate it away to the President), it should be fought mercilessly until the threat is taken care of.

However, the premise behind escalating our presence in Vietnam in the first place was the same old crap you hear today -- "if we don't fight the commies over there, when they're overthrowing this piss-ant country whose government we propped up, we will be fighting the vast communist horde on our own soil in a few years!!!!"

it may sound ridiculous now, but we need to look at the fallacies in that logic, because a lot of people are not learning from history and are saying the same thing today. there are a lot of problems with that line of thought, one being how in God's name is anybody is supposed to be able to invade the USA, much less successfully beat our armed forces, paramilitary/police forces, and armed citizens and overthrow our government?

perhaps the biggest fallacy of that fear-mongering strategy was that there was no such thing as "monolithic communism" like our leaders at the time thought, just like there is no such thing as monolithic islam. commies, like muslims, are divided into lots of factions by nationality and otherwise, and they all want different things. All the Vietcong wanted was to run their own country, free from what they perceived as Imperialist influence (the old Vietnamese government was propped up by the French and us). They also wanted socialism, but that cause alone wasn't enough to motivate that many people to wage war against the established government. Our involvement, especially when we started sending troops over there, is the injustice that got so many people to get on board with the VC. The same thing happened in Korea a decade or so earlier -- we tried to prop up a faction of the government there that was in line with "our interests," and it caused the Commies to revolt against it. There is no way the communist countries of the world would have been able to band together to destroy the USA, especially if we weren't threatening any of them or messing with any of their business.

It's the same thing with these Jihadis. There is all this fear-mongering about how they all hate us just because we have a free society, and they believe in the global conquest of islam.... some extremists go along with this, but no group has succeeded in attracting a large enough following to seriously challenge a standing nation, much less a superpower, based simply on the fact that they don't abide by muslim law there (at least not since the Middle Ages). What caused Al Qaeda and other groups to get a large following was that they saw our country coming into their countries and region without adequate provocation, setting up bases on their soil, getting in bed with the leaders of their countries, and propping up unjust governments in the region. This is mainly what Bin Laden and other terrorists concentrate on in their messages to their followers.

Very few people want to go fight and die because some people on the other side of the world are living in immorality. however, if you want to piss a lot of people off and make devoted enemies and fighters out of them, try going in their back yard and messing with their business. if our government let a foreign power come into our territory and bought off our leaders while propping them up and/or instituted a coup to put their people in charge, then set up permanent bases there, any American man who wouldn't pick up a gun and fight the governments involved isn't worthy of the title of Patriot.

I really understand why many of the muslims are hostile toward us. Look at Iran -- if you just take a cursory look at our history with that Country and our support for its previous government, is there any wonder they are hostile toward us? And is it any wonder so many of our enemies are from Saudi Arabia? Their government is a string puppet for the USA, and it is an unelected monarchy that uses very heavy-handed tactics to stay in power. We support this wholeheartedly, just so they let us have our bases on muslim holy soil and let our oil companies contract with them.

I can sympathize with why many people from that region want to defend themselves and their people from foreign interventionism -- I would do the same if some other country was doing those things to my homeland. I wouldn't condone simply attacking civilians, but violence aimed at crippling the offending nation's economy or attacks on its government would certainly be on the table.

The best way we can stay safe and prosperous as a nation is by vigorously defending our sovereignty while respecting that of other nations. It is obviously necessary to defend from outright/imminent attacks, but short of that, all this intervention and tinkering around with other people's governments in order to support people who are "favorable" to us and will institute "favorable" policies (policies which, by definition, favor us, not necessarily the people of that country) is only going to piss people off and make more enemies.

[Weester]

"Hitler was ignored until he started taking over Europe. America still sat on their A until when? I guess many people are content to sit on the mighty A again until another intrusion occurs? How quickly people forget."

ROTFL....................................

Hitler had a massive army, top scientists and air force that was capable of striking targets throughout Europe...

What do the arab countries have???? A bunch of camels.................LOL!

[Weester]

"Let's just bomb the chit out of that whole area, turn it into craters, and don't worry about the consequences! "

You hitting the L/I ice teas again??? Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp!

Yup, genocide is the answer...............What a maroon!

Leaving the middle east, is cheaper and smarter!!!