Driil for more Oil vs. Slowing Global warming

[Night Train]

I love the argument against opening more oil leases and drilling for more oil. "It will take up to 10 years get anything out of the ground that will lower oil prices, so why do it since it won't help us today."

On the global warming front, we should spend a fortune now and for years to come even though we probably won't see any results for 10, 20 or more years (if at all), but that is for the good of us all so by golly let's do it.

If the "It's OK to spend massive amounts of money and wait for a possible payback" is OK on the global warming front, why is the same logic applied to drilling for oil bad??? Seems like a double standard / closed mind argument to me. To say one is good and the other bad seems like the old "fuzzy logic" to me.

[salvageV6]

Actually it's lying lefty logic vs. COMMON SENSE logic.

And it helps to explain Congress' almost single digit approval ratings.

OH THE SHAME!!!

[Black Power]

The problem, my friend, is that you are expecting democrats and the "go green" sheep to think logically.

Not gonna happen.

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by Night Train

I love the argument against opening more oil leases and drilling for more oil. "It will take up to 10 years get anything out of the ground that will lower oil prices, so why do it since it won't help us today."

On the global warming front, we should spend a fortune now and for years to come even though we probably won't see any results for 10, 20 or more years (if at all), but that is for the good of us all so by golly let's do it.

If the "It's OK to spend massive amounts of money and wait for a possible payback" is OK on the global warming front, why is the same logic applied to drilling for oil bad??? Seems like a double standard / closed mind argument to me. To say one is good and the other bad seems like the old "fuzzy logic" to me.

because by the BUSH ADMINSTRATIONS OWN WORDS if will lower gas prices in 10 years...by maybe a nickel

[ekafrawy]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

because by the BUSH ADMINSTRATIONS OWN WORDS if will lower gas prices in 10 years...by maybe a nickel

Haha, since when do you believe anything the Bush Administration says? You feelin ok today?

[Turbo RX-6]

First of all, it was the department of energy who issued that report at the request of ploiticians from Alaska, and once again, Gothy, you stretch the truth to make your point, that report was covering ANWR only, and did not include drilling offshore where the bulk of oil is.

Here's another part of the report you failed to mention.

The Department of Energy estimates that ANWR could allow America to produce about a million additional barrels of oil every day, which translates to about 27 millions of gallons of gasoline and diesel every day. That would be about a 20-percent increase of oil -- crude oil production over U.S. levels, and it would likely mean lower gas prices. And yet such efforts to explore in ANWR have been consistently blocked.

You also leave out the fact that opening ANWAR will extend the life of the Alaskan pipeline and provide tens of thousands of jobs, not to mention the fact that the people of Alaska have been begging for this for years. And don't forget all the natural gas that is there also.

"When President Bush took office in 2001, the price of oil was around $30 a barrel. Six years later the price had doubled. Democrats promised voters they had "a common sense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices." On October 20, 2006, just before the Democrats took over Congress, a barrel of oil was about $57.
So, how is the Democrat's "common sense plan" working? In the six years before they took control, oil increased an average of about $5 a year. But in the 18 months the Democrats have been responsible for the nation's energy policy, the price of oil has risen to $140 -- an increase of over $70 a barrel or $5 each month.
If I had a choice, I'd take $5 a year over $5 a month. Meanwhile, gas prices on the Democrat's watch went from $2.20 a gallon to $4.50, an increase of almost 15 cents a month. The Democrat's plan isn't working, unless their plan was to decrease our dependence on oil by making it so expensive we can't afford to buy it.
It's clear the Democrats are fumbling our energy policy. Last week Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged President Bush to get Saudi Arabia to drill more oil so prices would go down. But at the same time, she rejected drilling for domestic oil, claiming that increasing domestic supplies won't lower the price we pay.
So which is it? Do we want more oil or not? How do we decrease our dependence on foreign oil if we reject domestic oil and increase foreign oil?
While claiming oil drilling won't help, the Democrats said we should stop filling the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which will increase supplies by 70,000 barrels a day. They say this will decrease gas prices by up to 24 cents a gallon. Economists say the effect will be negligible.
Meanwhile, Democrats reject drilling in ANWR because they say adding a million barrels a day would only drop the oil prices about 5 cents a barrel. So 70 thousand barrels saves us 24 cents a gallon, while a million barrels won't do a thing?
Also, Democrats want to raise taxes on oil companies. By increasing taxes, they promise the price of gasoline will drop, and the oil companies will increase supply. In reality, taxes decrease incentives to supply oil and raise the price we pay.
Of course, we are collecting a huge amount of taxes from the oil companies. The feds took over $30 billion from Exxon-Mobil last year (that's more than the taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of all individuals).
The Democrats also say drilling in ANWR is useless because we won't get any oil for 10 years. But they take credit for a bill they passed which will force Americans to buy more fuel-efficient cars. Their plan requires cars to get 35 miles per gallon, by 2020 -- 13 years from now. So we shouldn't drill in ANWR because it will take 10 years before it helps us, but increasing gas mileage over 13 years is "smart energy policy."
Meanwhile, my car gets over 45 miles per gallon today -- beating their standard for 13 years from now by 30 percent. Americans could buy these cars now, but haven't. So the Democrats will force us to.
But it won't help as much as they claim -- when cars get more efficient, gas use will increase, because people will be able to afford to drive farther.
The one thing that will make us stop using oil, and switch to alternative fuels, is if gas gets so expensive we get tired of paying the cost. The Democrats claim they want us to stop using gasoline, but they are pushing the administration to force companies to lower gas prices, which will make people use more gas.
So the Democrats want to cut gas use, but are pushing lower prices. They say Bush let prices get too high, but since they took over the price has gone up ten times as fast. They say a million barrels a day won't make a difference, but 70 thousand a day will. They won't drill ANWR because it will take too long, but passed fuel efficiency standards that will take longer.
The energy bill is one of the few real "accomplishments" the Democrats have had since they took office. If $4.50 a gallon gas is an "accomplishment," I hope they fail more. We can't afford too many more "success stories."

Yeah Goth, once again it's all Bush's fault.

Do you by chance have that phrase tattooed on your ass, just wondering.

[Black Power]

oh my goodness Goth you just got destroyed.

Checkmate.

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by ekafrawy

Haha, since when do you believe anything the Bush Administration says? You feelin ok today?

I dont.
Just show you that righties are insane. If Bush says something they like, they take it as gospel, if Bush says something they dont like like he isnt looking for OBL anymore, they just ignore it, like he never said it. Same with this, the Bushies say it wont help, so they will just ignore it and pretend no one ever said such a thing

[salvageV6]

Gothy go take a long look in a mirror and tell us why we can't be just like you.

HINT: It ain't no superior intellect or debating skills on your part.

You do the EXACT same thing you criticize others for, hippocrit.

Even AFTER you've been corrected, owned, and biatch slapped.

Just shows you that lying lefty is a mental disorder.

Selective misuse of facts has always been a liberal lying tactic.