Same Rot - Dem Congress Pours Out Billions In PORK!!!!

[IEATV8S]

Pork now 'earmarks' - 11,000 of them!
The Associated Press

So much for trimming the pork.

The practice of decorating legislation with billions of dollars in pet projects and federal contracts is still thriving on Capitol Hill - despite public outrage that helped flip control of Congress two years ago.

More than 11,000 of those "earmarks," worth nearly $15 billion in all, were slipped into legislation telling the government where to spend taxpayers' money this year, keeping the issue at the center of Washington's culture of money, influence and politics. Now comes an election-year encore.

It's a pay-to-play sandbox where waste and abuse often obscure the good that earmarks can do.

An examination of many of those earmarks by The Associated Press and two dozen newspapers participating in a project sponsored by the Associated Press Managing Editors found much greater disclosure since 2006 but no end to what has become ingrained behavior in Congress. Assisting the project were two nonprofit and nonpartisan watchdog organizations - the Sunlight Foundation and Taxpayers for Common Sense.

Millions of the dollars support lobbying firms that help companies, universities, local governments and others secure what critics like Republican presidential candidate John McCain call pork-barrel spending. The law forbids using federal grants to lobby, but lobbyists do charge clients fees that often equal 10 percent of the largesse.

Earmark winners and their lobbyists often reward their benefactors with campaign contributions. For many members of Congress, especially those on the Appropriations committees, such as Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., campaign donations from earmark-seeking lobbyists and corporate executives are the core of their fundraising.

Rules forbid lawmakers from raising campaign funds from congressional offices, but members and their aides sometimes find ways to skirt them.

"I know a bunch of members that if you go in to see them, somewhere in the conversation they somehow say, 'Well, we were looking through our list of campaign contributors and didn't happen to see you there,'" said Frank Cushing, a lobbyist with the National Group, which lobbies on appropriations bills. "Is there a quid pro quo? No, not directly, but you'd have to be pretty dense not to figure it out."

Obama's aquarium earmark
The explicit campaign solicitations usually take place in the days following a meeting where an earmark is discussed.

"You can ask any lobbyist in town. You bring a new client in to see a member and everything is nice-nice and you have a good meeting and everybody's exchanging business cards," said another lobbyist who focuses on earmarks. "Within 48 hours, the clients and their lobbyist - me - will get a fundraising phone call." That lobbyist requested anonymity, saying there could be no conversation on the subject without it.

For all the outcry, most earmarks have much to commend them. Just because a lawmaker arranges a project for his home district doesn't mean it isn't worthy.

But many also go to causes or projects that, on the surface, don't appear all that necessary.

Anti-pork watchdogs, for example, point to the $1.8 million in five earmarks for Chicago's Shedd Aquarium, which ran $8 million in the black last year and has embarked on a four-year, $100 million fundraising campaign. With that kind of money, why should taxpayers fund a $400,000 program earmarked by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to help the aquarium conduct a program aimed at preventing juvenile delinquency, watchdog groups ask.

Despite such questions and public outrage over high-profile earmarking abuses, the system that now-jailed lobbyist Jack Abramoff once called "the favor factory" is still running full tilt. Congress disclosed 11,234 earmarks totaling $14.8 billion in bills covering government spending this year, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington-based watchdog group.

The White House puts the total at $18 billion, including the amounts that lawmakers added to what President Bush sought for specific projects.

Touting earmarks before Election Day
A new earmarking cycle begins this month as the House and Senate Appropriations committees reveal spending bills for the 2009 budget year that starts Oct. 1. The House committee alone has 23,438 earmark requests before it, so many that its Web site for accepting requests froze up and the deadline for receiving them had to be extended. Lawmakers are unlikely to obtain many earmarks in time for Election Day, but they may tout them in hundreds of press releases anyway.

Defenders of earmarks note that the Founding Fathers explicitly gave Congress control over spending. And earmarks make up less than 2 percent of the annual spending bills passed each year.

"Representatives can better judge their districts' needs than some bureaucrat," Rep. Nancy Boyda, D-Kan., wrote her constituents this year.

Critics say too many earmarks go to a few powerful lawmakers such as Murtha, who by himself and in concert with others earmarked $176 million in 2008 federal spending.

Most of the 440 members of Congress who are not members of the House or Senate appropriations committees go along in order to get a sliver of the pie, even as many of them cry out for change.

"Initially, with great enthusiasm, you fight for your communities," said Rep. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., who says he's sworn off earmarks until new reforms are put in place. "But the return is that you have to support the whole process and therefore, you're supporting everyone else's earmarks."

Case in point: Defense contractor
Examples abound of lawmakers winning earmarks for specific companies or institutions, and then receiving campaign contributions from the recipients or their lobbyists.

TPI Composites, a defense contractor, received $2.4 million to develop a new all-composite military vehicle in the 2008 defense spending bill. The benefactor was Rep. David L. Hobson, an Ohio Republican who sits on the House defense appropriations subcommittee. The Columbus Dispatch reports that TPI executives have donated $10,000 to Hobson in recent years and that a TPI lobbyist has contributed $5,000 to his campaigns since 2003.

"I don't look at how much money people have given me," Hobson, who is retiring at the end of this year, told the Dispatch. "I don't care who gives me money. If we don't think (an earmark) is good we won't do it. At some point you have to say to yourself, 'Do I trust the person in this office to do the right thing and stand up and say no at the right time?' People shouldn't have voted for me if they thought I could be bought."

Defense industry executives and their lobbyists are Murtha's biggest campaign donors. DRS Technologies, which has given Murtha more than $29,000 this campaign cycle, has received $30 million in earmarks in fiscal 2008 from the defense subcommittee. Of those, Murtha accounted for $8 million himself, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense. The company is based in New Jersey, but its biggest facility is in Murtha's southwestern Pennsylvania district. Within days of a fundraiser in his honor earlier this year, Murtha also received $8,500 from executives of Van Scoyoc Associates, a lobbying firm that represents DRS.

"We receive thousands of funding requests which are vetted by both members and staff. In the end, we recommend projects based strictly on their merit and value to the (Defense) department," said Murtha's spokesman, Matthew Mazonkey.

Earmarks come in countless varieties. Job training programs, grants to police departments, improvements to military bases, renovations to historical buildings and research grants for home-district colleges are just a few. They help pay for food banks and child care centers, sewer systems, roads and bridges, and equipment purchased by the Pentagon.

The most commonly accepted definition of an earmark is a specific project, contract or grant not requested by the president but inserted into one of the annual spending bills. Many of those bills often get consolidated into one.

Earmarks can do a lot of good. About 30,000 victims of leukemia and other blood diseases have received lifesaving bone marrow transplants through a donor registry program that Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Fla., started through an earmark more than 20 years ago.

But Congress has been rocked in recent years by revelations of wasteful earmarks such as the $223 million "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska that was supposed to connect an island with a population of just 50 or so to the mainland. It was never built.

A few caught in controversies
In recent years, a half dozen lawmakers have come under Justice Department scrutiny over earmarks. Former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., sits in a federal prison for pressuring Pentagon officials to award contracts to people who gave him more than $2.4 million in bribes.

Congress has asked the Justice Department to investigate Alaska GOP Rep. Don Young's $10 million earmark for a Florida highway interchange sought by a developer who gave him campaign contributions. Former Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., is embroiled in an investigation of earmarks for clients of lobbyist Bill Lowery, a former GOP congressman, who also have been generous campaign donors to Lewis.

Once limited to the most senior and powerful lawmakers, or those on the Appropriations and Transportation committees, earmarking pet projects and grants mushroomed after Republicans took over Congress in 1995.

The new speaker then, Newt Gingrich of Georgia, saw earmarks as a way to help endangered Republicans keep their seats and to reward lawmakers loyal to GOP leaders.

Estimates vary, but earmarks went from more than 1,300 projects worth nearly $8 billion in 1994 to a peak of nearly 14,000 projects worth more than $27 billion in 2005, according Citizens Against Government Waste, a watchdog group that opposes the practice.

Rep. Jim Walsh, R-N.Y., contrasts today's earmarking culture to what existed before that. Most of the pet projects went to a small clique of spending barons headed by Appropriations chairmen like the late Rep. Jamie Whitten, D-Miss., who used to call up Cabinet officials to order up earmarks.

"We democratized it," Walsh said. "We basically said, 'We're going to make this available to all the members.'"

Bush battle began last year
But demand for earmarks skyrocketed, and more and more lobbying firms sought to buy in.

Bush's battle against earmarks began in earnest only after Democrats retook control of Congress last year. Now, rather than deal with him, Democrats are looking to deliver an earmark-laden, catchall spending bill to his successor early next year. McCain has already promised a veto. Obama has said he would force cuts.

Democrats say they are cutting earmarks by more than 40 percent below the 2006 budget bills passed when Republicans ran Congress. As important, they say, are House and Senate reforms requiring sponsors of earmarks to disclose them. That's made it easier for watchdog groups, reporters and the public to track the flow of lobbying influence and money. A Web site run by Taxpayers for Common Sense details earmarks, and one run by the Center for Responsive Politics tracks lobby registrations and campaign contributions.

Using those tools, the Courier Post of Cherry Hill, N.J., discovered the case of Sierra Monolothics, a small California technology company. It began seeking earmarks a few years ago, and its executive chairman and co-founder, Charles Harper, began making political contributions. Of the $12,500 he gave in the past three years, more than half went to the National Republican Congressional Committee, according to federal records.

Since September 2006, $2,000 also went to Rep. Jim Saxton, R-N.J., a senior House Armed Services Committee member who helped secure an $800,000 earmark for the company last year.

"Relationships have to be developed at some point and one of the only ways to do it is to go to fundraisers," Harper told the Courier Post. "You get a few minutes to chat with the congressmen or whoever and get them to understand what you're doing. It does help somewhat, to be honest with you."

Things may be changing. This year, freshman Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., gave back about $14,000 in contributions from people who had requested earmarks. Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, told the AP that starting next year he's going to stop asking for earmarks benefiting private companies.

Few, however, expect the pay-to-play system to shut down.

"Hiring a lobbyist to try to get you an earmark is a pretty good investment, because you can get a 10-, 20-, 30-fold return without frankly all that much work," said Anthony Nownes, a political scientist at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. "It's a such a win-win situation for everybody. The legislator gets to tell his or her constituent that he or she quite literally brought home the bacon, the lobbyist gets to tell his or her client that they did the same thing, and the constituents get all the goodies."

EDITOR'S NOTE: This story is the result of collaboration between The Associated Press and the Associated Press Managing Editors association. In March, APME announced plans for a national project to examine special spending requests members of Congress insert in federal appropriations bills to benefit local interests. In partnership with the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation and Taxpayers for Common Sense, APME trained hundreds of reporters around the country on how to find, analyze and report on the requests, known as earmarks. Many of their newspapers are publishing stories this weekend on local earmarks to coincide with this national overview from the AP. More than two dozen newspapers contributed to AP's coverage.

[Squeelr]

Oh my! Where were your bitch sessions when the Repubicans were spending like Emelda Marcos on shoes.

[Chuck Leeper]

Originally Posted by Squeelr

Oh my! Where were your bitch sessions when the Repubicans were spending like Emelda Marcos on shoes.

like you've been around here long enough, to have read anything about that...

[Gothmog]

Pork?

How bout $400 a second on PORK IN IRAQ....and none of that money goes to working class Americans either

[IEATV8S]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

Pork?

How bout $400 a second on PORK IN IRAQ....and none of that money goes to working class Americans either

Instead of making a blanket claim, why didn't you point out that BILLIONS of dollars are MISSING in Iraq, with NO way of finding out where they went? No accunting was kept, and that is a huge problem that will just be swept under the carpet!

That would have made some sense, but I know your hatred of the WAR has clouded your brain! Gothy TRY to give something that doesn't make you look like HS kid!

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by IEATV8S

Instead of making a blanket claim, why didn't you point out that BILLIONS of dollars are MISSING in Iraq, with NO way of finding out where they went? No accunting was kept, and that is a huge problem that will just be swept under the carpet!

That would have made some sense, but I know your hatred of the WAR has clouded your brain! Gothy TRY to give something that doesn't make you look like HS kid!

what dont you understand?

Pork is bad, but another name for it is pet projects...lawmakers get pork for their own district for buildings or funding or whatever...guess who benefits? the people who live there. who benefits from the billions we flush down the toilet in Iraq?

[IEATV8S]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

what dont you understand?

Pork is bad, but another name for it is pet projects...lawmakers get pork for their own district for buildings or funding or whatever...guess who benefits? the people who live there. who benefits from the billions we flush down the toilet in Iraq?

Did I say I didn't understand you? I pointed out that instead of making a blanket statement, make it specific with specific examples. Make it more interesting and if your wrong (what 99% of the time now?) someone can point it out to you! Like I just did!

[Turbo RX-6]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

who benefits from the billions we flush down the toilet in Iraq?

Just out of curiosity, and at the risk of the lefty's heads exploding, how many terrorist attacks occured on our soil or against us directly up untill 911?

Now how many in the almost 7 years since?

Ever occur to you that maybe your money is not being wasted?

[1QWIK6]

Originally Posted by Turbo RX-6

Just out of curiosity, and at the risk of the lefty's heads exploding, how many terrorist attacks occured on our soil or against us directly up untill 911?

Now how many in the almost 7 years since?

Ever occur to you that maybe your money is not being wasted?

How do you prove a negative?

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by Turbo RX-6

Just out of curiosity, and at the risk of the lefty's heads exploding, how many terrorist attacks occured on our soil or against us directly up untill 911?

Now how many in the almost 7 years since?

Ever occur to you that maybe your money is not being wasted?

I just dont get how people STILL believe that Iraq is full of terrorists who want to attack us. Alqueda attacked us for our foreign policy.

The people attacking us in Iraq never attacked us before we invaded, and their goal is to expell the occupiers...thats it

What are you going to say in 2010 when we're attacked again, and the govt tell us that the plot was hatched in Pakistan in 2008. Are you going to feel dumb for supporting Bush's policy of ignoring Alqueda

[salvageV6]

I don't know about you lefty but I'm gonna be blaming OBAMA, and his idiot followers of course.

How do you prove supposition?

When building and supplying a strong military is the primary goal of the Federal Govt., you can rest assured the money is not wasted.

And you can quote me on that.

" I just dont get how people STILL believe that Iraq is full of terrorists who want to attack us. Alqueda attacked us for our foreign policy.

The people attacking us in Iraq never attacked us before we invaded, and their goal is to expell the occupiers...thats it "

Gothy, you might wanna turn in your moderator jr. G-man badge if you keep posting this crap.

[Turbo RX-6]

Originally Posted by Gothmog

What are you going to say in 2010 when we're attacked again, and the govt tell us that the plot was hatched in Pakistan in 2008. Are you going to feel dumb for supporting Bush's policy of ignoring Alqueda

No, if it's a Democrat who's President, I'm gonna say it's their fault, just like you lefty's did to Bush.

What would you do, Gothy, bomb our own allies in Pakistan, maybe we should send Barrack over there to talk to them, I'm sure they'd all give up then.

But good way to divert from the subject, again in the years prior to 911, how many times were we attacked, and how many times has it been since?

Now lets see, Quick, Goths original statement was that billions were being flushed down the toilet that wasn't benefitting anyone, shouldn't that have gotten one of your famous, you can't prove a negative responses, since we can't really yet prove all of the possible benefits of the war in Iraq, or the negatives as it relates to attacks on us directly, can we, but at the same time we can't discount the fact that the war, along with all the other things connected to it, hasn't helped prevent attacks on against us either, can we.

And again Quick, although I know it's one of your favorite responses to avoid a question, I wasn't looking for a response like your buddy Goth just gave of what happens if we find out in 2010 about a plot hatched in 2008, see, that's a negative, you can't proof it today, so you should really be addressing your responses to Goth not me, he's the one who's responded by posting an unprovable negative twice now, hasn't he.

Please point out where I said that the money being spent in Iraq was the reason for the lack of attacks? Or did I actually say, did it ever occur to you that maybe your moneys not being wasted. I left open the possibility that the money being spent there is helping, or maybe not. I didn't say it absolutely was, did I.

There's no negative to prove in my question, this isn't hypothetical, an attack has either happened or it hasn't. So, once again, how many times have we been attacked since 911, and why do you think we have had such a lack of attacks, since Bush has been in office, even though he declared a war on terrorism, compared to the numerous of attacks during Clintons time in office.

I knew this would make you leftards head explode, trying to figure out a way to twist around this simple questions.

[Weester]

"But good way to divert from the subject, again in the years prior to 911, how many times were we attacked, and how many times has it been since?"

Question:

Do you think our presence in Iraq is the reason we havent been attacked since 9/11?

or

Do you think heightening our security at home is the reason we havent been attacked since 9/11?

[Turbo RX-6]

Originally Posted by Weester

"But good way to divert from the subject, again in the years prior to 911, how many times were we attacked, and how many times has it been since?"

Question:

Do you think our presence in Iraq is the reason we havent been attacked since 9/11?

or

Do you think heightening our security at home is the reason we havent been attacked since 9/11?

I believe it could be a combination of both, and both of those things may contribute to each other, I'm not privy to any intel or anything else that is gleened from or presence in Iraq, that may help with homeland security, and neither is anyone else on this site that I'm aware of, so who on here can answer that.

Obviously our increased security measures here have contributed greatly to our safety, I didn't include that because I assumed that was so obviuos that it went without saying, what my question was, and still is, can anyone say that the every penny being spent in Iraq is a complete waste as Goth has stated, and not helping us in any way?

Without the full picture and inside knowledge, I don't think any of us can say for sure.