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Old November 6th, 2007, 12:39 PM
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Ron Paul breaks record; raises more money in a single day than any republican EVER.

well, it's all over the news today (although usually buried in other headlines)... i told you guys something big was going to happen on the 5th. As I predicted, in one day the good doctor now has more money than he raised in the entire last quarter (ending October 1) -- he now has over $7.3 Million in the bank.

also, i have to retract an previous inaccurate comment I made in another post... last quarter Ron Paul actually came in 3rd in fundraising among Republicans, beating both Fred Thompson and John McCain, who both initially reported a lot more money than they ended up with at final count.

Big Government Republican bootlickers beware! Ron rakes in exponentially more and more cash as the season goes on, as your guys rake in less and less.

ABC News: Who Is Giving Money to Ron Paul?
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WHO ARE RON PAUL'S SUPPORTERS?
Republican Raises Stunning $4.3 Million Online in 24 Hours
By Z. BYRON WOLF
Nov. 6, 2007

Mark it down: A landmark moment entered the annals of political fundraising: Nov. 5, 2007.

Ron Paul: Dark Horse Or Real Contender?

Texas Republican Ron Paul, the libertarian presidential candidate who has lagged in the polls but raised as much money as top-tier candidates, passed $4.3 million in online fundraising in 24 hours.

Paul's Haul May Set Online Record

It was a big deal back in 2000 when Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., raised $1 million online in the 24 hours after his upset victory over then-Gov. George W. Bush in the New Hampshire primary.

McCain's impressive take was seen as the birth of online fundraising -- a moment when online donors gained considerable respect.

Paul raised just over $5 million in the most recent fundraising quarter, which ended September 30. The campaign has set an official goal of raising $12 million between Oct.1 and the end of 2007.

As of midnight Sunday, Nov. 4, the Paul campaign claimed to have raised $2.77 million.

Monday's drive was coordinated by an independent Web site but received the tacit endorsement of Paul on the stump this week.

He told supporters at a rally in Columbia, S.C., that the mainstream media is more likely to pay attention if he raises more money. And that attention will lead to more mainstream voters hearing his message.

Supporters Remember Nov. 5

It's not unusual for campaigns to attach a slogan to a one-day, one-event or one-week fundraising push.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., have dined with donating supporters; Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, encouraged donations for her husband's birthday.

Earlier this year, Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., got his hand slapped by Major League Baseball for offering to raffle off World Series tickets to a lucky donor.

But leave it to Ron Paul's devoted legions to win the originality contest this year.

"Remember, Remember, the fifth of November," cries the call for cash.

The catchy slogan comes from a nursery rhyme about Guy Fawkes, the 17th-century crusader for Catholics rights caught in the basement of parliament with 36 barrels of gunpowder. He failed in his mission to blow the place up.

ABC News tracked down Trevor Lyman, the man behind the Web site that coordinated Paul's one-day money bomb on his cell phone in line at a Miami Starbucks, where the whir of the barista making his lunchtime latte could be heard in the background.

Lyman, 37, is not your average political fundraiser.

His day job is running a music promotion Web site, but he spends his free time at the helm of the grassroots Web site that conspired in online chat forums and meetup groups to send a fundraising bomb in support of Paul.

But Lyman, who has never worked for a campaign before -- and still doesn't, technically -- describes himself as "mostly apathetic" when it comes to politics, started supporting Paul back when the congressman was just exploring a presidential run.

He started a Web site devoted to Paul videos, the tagline for which is "Televising the Revolution."

The first video featured when we visited showed surfers how to use holiday lights to create and illuminated "Ron Paul Revolution" yard decoration.

Reach of the 'Revolution'

Lyman launched his most recent site only on Oct. 18, and he is hoping to move back to New Hampshire soon, not to work on the campaign, just because he went to college there and said it would be a better place than Miami to raise a family.

Asked if it is appropriate to invoke a nursery rhyme about a man who tried to blow up parliament in the 17th-century as a fundraising tool, Lyman said, "Some people want to go that way. We're not going in any way violent."

He said the idea sprang up when he saw someone propose a mass one-day online fundraising drive in a Ron Paul meetup group.

The date Nov. 5 corresponded with the movie "V for Vendetta" and the Guy Fawkes rhyme.

"If you look at the pop culture feel-good message of the movie," Lyman said, "the people in the end say we are the deciders. That's the best way to describe it. And this is a country of and by the people."

"The entire notion of Bush saying he is the decider when 70 or 80 percent of the country wants out of the war is ridiculous. He acts like a dictator."

And that, said Lyman, is why he supports Paul, who is uncompromising and strict in his support of the Constitution, as literally as possible to the way it is written.

"I like some things about Republican ideals, but it goes back to the Constitution for me," Lyman said, still in line for his coffee. "And those ideals are all about small government, even if the party in recent years has not been," he said.

Apparently, as the online donation meter indicates, others agree.
what? people are tired of Big Government? who would've thunk?

Here's the AP article:
Ron Paul Raises More Than $4.2 Million

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Nov 6 12:49 AM US/Eastern
By JIM KUHNHENN
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MSNBC: Ron Paul Calls In Riding Big Fundraising Wave

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, aided by an extraordinary outpouring of Internet support Monday, hauled in more than $4.2 million in nearly 24 hours.

Paul, the Texas congressman with a libertarian tilt and an out-of-Iraq pitch, entered heady fundraising territory with a surge of Web-based giving tied to the commemoration of Guy Fawkes Day.

Fawkes was a British mercenary who failed in his attempt to kill King James I on Nov. 5, 1605. He also was the model for the protagonist in the movie "V for Vendetta." Paul backers motivated donors on the Internet with mashed-up clips of the film on the online video site YouTube as well as the Guy Fawkes Day refrain: "Remember, remember the 5th of November."

Paul's total deposed Mitt Romney as the single-day fundraising record holder in the Republican presidential field. When it comes to sums amassed in one day, Paul now ranks only behind Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton, who raised nearly $6.2 million on June 30, and Barack Obama.

Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said the effort began independently about two months ago at the hands of Paul's backers. He said Paul picked up on the movement, mentioning in it speeches and interviews.

"It's been kind of building up virally," Benton said.

The $4.2 million represented online contributions from more than 37,000 donors, fundraising director Jonathan Bydlak said Monday night.

Paul has been lagging in the polls behind Republican front-runners. But he captured national attention at the end of September when he reported raising $5.2 million in three months, putting him fourth among Republican presidential candidates in fundraising for the quarter.

Paul as of Monday had raised more than $7 million since Oct. 1, more than half his goal of $12 million by the end of the year, according to his Web site.

Paul advocates limited government and low taxes like other Republicans, but he stands alone as the only GOP presidential candidate opposed to the Iraq war. He also has opposed Bush administration security measures that he says encroach on civil liberties.


Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
the above article is a bit misleading though... to say "Ron Paul supports limited government and low taxes like other Republicans" is like comparing lions to kittens, or saying "turbo buicks are fast like honda civics."
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Here's the problem. I read somewhere that the number of people that donated was around 37,000. The dollar figure sounds great, but its better for a candidate to have 1 million people donate one dollar than 100,000 donate $50.

And that leads us to the second problem. Money does not translate to votes. Many a rich candidate has spent millions of dollars only to lose an election. Ross Perot, Steve Forbes, WR Hearst, and countless others have spent personal fortunes only to lose.

Theres a reason why Ron Paul doesn't break 5% in any reputable national poll. He has no chance of winning this election.
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Ron Paul about as much chance of winning the Presidency as do I. NEWSFLASH: I'm not running!
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1. i could care less about the MSM polls. unlike some people, i don't base my support for a candidate on how the wind is blowing, especially in the primary.

2. even if he doesn't win, it is exciting to see the pro-liberty, limited government message get so much support... if nothing else, Ron is doing more to help the message gain momentum than anybody since Reagan.

3. Ron has about as good a chance of winning the presidency as any of the other R's. if he wins the nomination, he will likely win the office. if one of the other guys gets it, a democrat will win.

the big government establishment types will SAY he doesn't have a chance even as support for him multiplies, but you will see them start to resort to more and more desperate measures to try to discredit him as time goes on. just wait and see... it's gonna get pretty ridiculous. the prospect of somebody like him winning the big spot undermines a lot of people's little rackets.
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The majority of the money Ron Paul has just raised has been from the EXTREME left, as he is the ONLY candidate that states publically that he would IMMEDIATELY, or as close as possible, remove ALL our troops from Iraq, as well as MOST other foreign nations!

None of the Democrats will now back this plan, as advocated in one of their latest debates, and the ANTI-WAR left looks to Paul as their NEW savior! They are a one topic group, who cares much less about the other problems facing America. If you get an opportunity try looking at rense.com. Jeff Rense is a Libertarian with strong left leanings, and promotes Paul with his news items which he features. With over 1 million hits per month on Rense's site, his site is one of the top 100 hits sites for the entire net!

I truly hope when he does not get the Republican nomination, he becomes a THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE!

That would be a shoe-in for ANY of the Republican candidates! Much better then having Ralph Nader running again! IMHO!
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proof?

and since when is the radical left all about strict constructionalism of the constitution and limited government? that just doesn't make sense. in my experience, the majority of Ron Paul supporters care mostly about the limited government issue, although his foreign policy is also a big one. his supporters are mostly a mix of old school limited government republicans who are pissed about the way the party has been headed and independents/libertarians who see him as somebody that isn't part of the washington culture of corruption/pork/earmarks. i am in several Ron Paul meetups/campus groups, and i have not really met one supporter of his who i would call a "radical leftist." The anti-war thing is a big reason a lot of people support him too, but... and i know this is gonna be a shocker to you, but not all people who are against the Iraq war are fringe moonbat lefties. a pretty significant majority of the country believes that way now. it is especially telling to me that Ron gets more support from the military than any other candidate.
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3. Ron has about as good a chance of winning the presidency as any of the other R's. if he wins the nomination, he will likely win the office. if one of the other guys gets it, a democrat will win.
How is it, according to you, Ron has as much chance to win the Presidency as any other Republican, but you follow that in the same short paragraph with the comment that he's the only Republican who can win? Are you thinking, or just sayin' ??

Currently, the odds are in favor of Hillary winning the Democrat spot. If that happens, any Republican is instantly more likely to win. However, Guiliani(sp) is the biggest favorite against her. Personally, I don't much care for either of them and there's simply no chance I will vote for Hillary.

There's no chance I'll vote for Ron Paul either, btw. That is, unless he miraculously does win the Republican spot AND Hillary wins the Democrat spot. In that case, I'd settle for the clear lessor of two evils.
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proof?

and since when is the radical left all about strict constructionalism of the constitution and limited government? that just doesn't make sense.
Idonno that anyone could prove it just yet. However, there is a large consensus that Ron Paul is getting "D" money in hopes he's the one against Hillary. That would make her bid easier from the looks of it. In other words, they're apparently trying to pad her odds even more.

It makes sense when you think about all the online(or phone, whichever) voting we've seen after the Republican debates. He's basically won them all... But when people who happen to be registered Republicans are asked on the spot, he's been in the rear of the pack each and every time. Figure the odds he'd win an anonomous poll, but miserably lose when those who will actually choose get a word in edgewise. Most states don't allow Rep. to vote in Dem primaries and visa versa. You can't prevent this from happening online.
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and since when is the radical left all about strict constructionalism of the constitution and limited government? that just doesn't make sense. in my experience, the majority of Ron Paul supporters care mostly about the limited government issue, although his foreign policy is also a big one. his supporters are mostly a mix of old school limited government republicans who are pissed about the way the party has been headed and independents/libertarians who see him as somebody that isn't part of the washington culture of corruption/pork/earmarks. i am in several Ron Paul meetups/campus groups, and i have not really met one supporter of his who i would call a "radical leftist." The anti-war thing is a big reason a lot of people support him too, but... and i know this is gonna be a shocker to you, but not all people who are against the Iraq war are fringe moonbat lefties. a pretty significant majority of the country believes that way now. it is especially telling to me that Ron gets more support from the military than any other candidate.
Henchman, I have no PROOF, as I ended by putting IMHO!

I've read the articles about the military donating big money to him, yet I see there is NO PROOF of this, just summation from various writers! How would anyone know where the money comes from? It is donated more or less anonymously!

The Anti-War left has one and only one purpose, to get us out of Iraq! There are certainly more then 37,000 hard core believers in the Anti-War movement, and as we saw with their fathers and mothers with the Vietnam war, that was their primary concern. The Christian right concentrates on abortion, and pro life. The war is down on their list, and how many of these Christians have said they could not vote for a Rep that wasn't pro life?

The Anti-War folks were backing on Obama originally to be their man, and have now seen him morph into just another Democratic candidate. Take a look at his polls, since that infamous debate where no Dem would state that an immediate pullout is their view, his fortunes have taken, what a 10+ point hit?

The Anti-War folks have always been pro Democratic, but even that isn't enough to keep them in line when they can hitch their hopes on a man that hasn't changed his original positions! Again IMHO!
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I donated
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Now if Paul had 37,000+ SHANE'S donate $100 each, easy $4 million!

I know $100 is just chump change to SHANE!
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1. i could care less about the MSM polls. unlike some people, i don't base my support for a candidate on how the wind is blowing, especially in the primary.
I'm not talking about msm polls. I'm talking about polls run by polling organizations that are both scientific and reputable.

If for nothing else let this set in. There has never been a candidate in modern history to ever win anything who didn't break 5% in the polls.


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Ah yes, limited government. Such as earmarks for shrimp fishing and some 400 million dollars for other pet projects.


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So let me see. You don't celieve me because I cite polls showing Paul doesn't have a chance, but I'm supposed to believe you when you say the other candidates dont have a chance just becasue.



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the big government establishment types will SAY he doesn't have a chance even as support for him multiplies, but you will see them start to resort to more and more desperate measures to try to discredit him as time goes on. just wait and see... it's gonna get pretty ridiculous. the prospect of somebody like him winning the big spot undermines a lot of people's little rackets.
I dont need to discredit him. He does that all on his own. His foreign policy is ridiculous. He wants to dismantle the CIA at the most crucial time in history. He voted to allow suits against gun manufacturers because of the acts of 3rd parties.

Ron Paul is a guy who has some good points, but he's not presidential material. He came in 3rd or 4th in the straw poll in his own state. He had a failed senate campaign.

If he cant get elected to the senate, or win his own state, how do you expect him to win a national election.

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Now if Paul had 37,000+ SHANE'S donate $100 each, easy $4 million!

I know $100 is just chump change to SHANE!
Just hedging my bets, man, hedging my bets. If Paul wins the Republican nomination then the Democratic Nominee can't possibly lose. That is, until the Democratic Nominee drops the ball, which realistically will probably happen. In that case we're stuck with Ron Paul, which really wouldn't be that bad as I see it.
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On earmarks,

Its kind of like, in an ideal world, Paul says, there wouldn't be a federal income tax. But since there is, he says, he feels a responsibility to help his constituents recover some of the tax dollars the government has taken from them. "I don't want them [the government] to take it," he says, "but if they do take it, I'd just as soon help my constituents get it back." --if they paid taxes and didnt get anything back, then they would basically be funding programs for other districts.
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On earmarks,

Its kind of like, in an ideal world, Paul says, there wouldn't be a federal income tax. But since there is, he says, he feels a responsibility to help his constituents recover some of the tax dollars the government has taken from them. "I don't want them [the government] to take it," he says, "but if they do take it, I'd just as soon help my constituents get it back." --if they paid taxes and didnt get anything back, then they would basically be funding programs for other districts.
So if people are dealing drugs in my neighborhood, and the police can't stop it, I should start dealing too because I can donate the proceeds to charity.

If Paul was the principled constitutionalist he says he is, he wouldn't be participating in this junk. What business does the federal government have in shrimp research? It doesn't and he knows it.
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