Stupid politicians....

[TTAfreak]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159703,00.html

so now I dont have a right to gamble on line?

lets just speak the truth here.....if the government could find a way to tax the hell out of it, it would no longer be a problem.



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[bruce]

Originally Posted by TTAfreak

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so now I dont have a right to gamble on line?

lets just speak the truth here.....if the government could find a way to tax the hell out of it, it would no longer be a problem.

The problem isn't with the responsible gamblers, it's the ones that ruin so many lives, when they're not. It's no worse, then mandating car insurance, IMO. If someone has the need to gamble they can do it easily enough, that, IMO, they don't need it piped in via the internet.

Sadly, yes, the more they can tax something, the more likely it'll be allowed. The cig industry is a classic example. It drives health care costs though the ceiling, and the taxes don't begin to pay for the health costs (much less lost time from work, and early deaths), but all the politicians see, is $$$$$$.

[BlownZ]

[quote=bruce]The problem isn't with the responsible gamblers, it's the ones that ruin so many lives, when they're not.
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Guns don't kill people.....people kill people.

I think it should be legal...and if you screw up your life with it...it's your problem.

[bruce]

[quote=BlownZ]

Originally Posted by bruce

The problem isn't with the responsible gamblers, it's the ones that ruin so many lives, when they're not.
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Guns don't kill people.....people kill people.

I think it should be legal...and if you screw up your life with it...it's your problem.

Well we could carry that to the extreme, virus, and bacteria kill people, so there shouldn't be any universal health care (for any contagios diseases), since most contagious diseases can be avoided by wearing masks, and gloves. How about no Health Care for Smokers, no Health Care for HIV patients (just tell the collateral vicitms, well, your just a victim of circumstance). No medicare, no medicad, hey too broke or too old well that's just *your problem*.

I guess to some folks there's just not enough gambling, and porn available, so the everyone else have to be exposed to it.

It's not a matter of outlawing gambling, it's about making it so accessible. As far as guns go, you have to undergo a background check now. Maybe if people want to *right* to gamble they should be willing to undergo a background check for that.

It's really easy to say something's fine, if you've never been a victim, or seen what somehting can do. Society is supposed to help protect it's members, to some degree. Compassion, is one element that differentiates us from animals that roam in herds.

None of this is aimed at you, or anyone else, by the use of the word *you*.

[BlownZ]

[quote=bruce]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Well we could carry that to the extreme, virus, and bacteria kill people, so there shouldn't be any universal health care (for any contagios diseases), since most contagious diseases can be avoided by wearing masks, and gloves. How about no Health Care for Smokers, no Health Care for HIV patients (just tell the collateral vicitms, well, your just a victim of circumstance). No medicare, no medicad, hey too broke or too old well that's just *your problem*.

I guess to some folks there's just not enough gambling, and porn available, so the everyone else have to be exposed to it.

It's not a matter of outlawing gambling, it's about making it so accessible. As far as guns go, you have to undergo a background check now. Maybe if people want to *right* to gamble they should be willing to undergo a background check for that.

It's really easy to say something's fine, if you've never been a victim, or seen what somehting can do. Society is supposed to help protect it's members, to some degree. Compassion, is one element that differentiates us from animals that roam in herds.

None of this is aimed at you, or anyone else, by the use of the word *you*.

You can buy a gun today....from an individual with nothing but a bill of sale. That isn't much of a background check is it?

Bacteria and virus are not inanimate objects nor do they discriminate against who they attack.

Guns are inanimate...they only harm someone if a person wills it so.

Gambling isn't an object but it is a choice that someone makes....it will only harm them if you let it.

You love these weird analogies so let me turn it around on you so you can see how ridiculous it is.

Obesity kills....fat people should be illegal now?

High cholesterol kills....so we should dictate whether people can eat meat or not?

Personal responsibility. It's something this country needs more of in my opinion.

[bruce]

[quote=BlownZ]

Originally Posted by bruce

You can buy a gun today....from an individual with nothing but a bill of sale. That isn't much of a background check is it?

Bacteria and virus are not inanimate objects nor do they discriminate against who they attack.

Guns are inanimate...they only harm someone if a person wills it so.

Gambling isn't an object but it is a choice that someone makes....it will only harm them if you let it.

You love these weird analogies so let me turn it around on you so you can see how ridiculous it is.

Obesity kills....fat people should be illegal now?

High cholesterol kills....so we should dictate whether people can eat meat or not?

Personal responsibility. It's something this country needs more of in my opinion.

First, I do agree with you about responsibility.

I didn't say there weren't exceptions, yes, you can buy a hand gun privately, but the Feds have still tried to somewhat restrict there access.

While they don't discriminate, some genetic groups of humans are immune to some more then others.

There are accidents, where there maybe no *will* to cause harm, or even a round to be discharged.

I guess you want to ignore the genetic factors, and/ or medical issues related to obesity or, cholesterol.

While on one hand there is an agruement for making everything, do we need to?, and when do we stop?. IMO, it seems that there are enough vices around, that are easy enough to get to, why do we have to make even more accessible?.

It seems as of late, it seems the legal system is doing all it can to excuse people from being responsibility.

[BlownZ]

Who says gambling is any more of a vice than going to a baseball game?

[MaxVO2]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Who says gambling is any more of a vice than going to a baseball game?

****Me. Gambling has ruined several guys lives that I know/work with. They have lost everything due to internet gambling, doing multiple bets, etc... Now, they are going through gamblers anonymous, bankruptcy, etc... I guess they could have gone to a bunch of baseball games and spent all of their money on those overpriced hot dogs and beers, but I doubt it. You can say what you want about these people being weak, or whatever, but the bottom line is when folks like these end up broke, they go on public assistance that everyone else pays in to..

I'm not a big fan of gambling, and I personally consider it a tax on people who by and large cannot afford it. If they ban internet gambling, I say great - good riddance. Internet gambling makes it too easy for people. I would rather it be less accessible, and more of a burden to lose all of your money if you happen to be stupid enough to gamble in the first place. I agree with Bruce that it is somewhat societies responsibility to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. It's not always the lazy and the stupid who can't take of themselves on occasion. Stuff happens beyond folks control.

Billy

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by MaxVO2

****Me. Gambling has ruined several guys lives that I know/work with. They have lost everything due to internet gambling, doing multiple bets, etc... Now, they are going through gamblers anonymous, bankruptcy, etc... I guess they could have gone to a bunch of baseball games and spent all of their money on those overpriced hot dogs and beers, but I doubt it. You can say what you want about these people being weak, or whatever, but the bottom line is when folks like these end up broke, they go on public assistance that everyone else pays in to..

I'm not a big fan of gambling, and I personally consider it a tax on people who by and large cannot afford it. If they ban internet gambling, I say great - good riddance. Internet gambling makes it too easy for people. I would rather it be less accessible, and more of a burden to lose all of your money if you happen to be stupid enough to gamble in the first place. I agree with Bruce that it is somewhat societies responsibility to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. It's not always the lazy and the stupid who can't take of themselves on occasion. Stuff happens beyond folks control.

Billy

Billy Boy...do you know any alcoholics?

Know anyone that has died of lung cancer?

Know anyone that was killed in an auto accident?

Know anyone shot with a gun?

Know anyone who died of hypertension from being overweight?

Clearly....you are in favor of banning everything then....right?

Ban alcohol because some people can't handle it.

Ban cigarettes because they are a known killer.

Ban cars because CLEARLY they are dangerous.

Outlaw guns because people cannot be held responsible.

God....people like you make me crazy.

Either you believe in personal responsibility or you don't.

[bruce]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Who says gambling is any more of a vice than going to a baseball game?

I haven't heard of *Going to a Baseball Game Anonymous*.

I do see some folks as being addicted to the game, but so far no one, or any large group of people being so addicted to the game that they sacrifice, food, clothing, or shelter to attend a game.

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Billy Boy...do you know any alcoholics?

Know anyone that has died of lung cancer?

Know anyone that was killed in an auto accident?

Know anyone shot with a gun?

Know anyone who died of hypertension from being overweight?

Clearly....you are in favor of banning everything then....right?

Ban alcohol because some people can't handle it.

Ban cigarettes because they are a known killer.

Ban cars because CLEARLY they are dangerous.

Outlaw guns because people cannot be held responsible.

God....people like you make me crazy.

Either you believe in personal responsibility or you don't.

So Bruce....what would you have us do with all of these other potentially harmful things? Make them illegal?

[sr71gn]

its thinking like this that continually eats up our individual freedoms----people should have the right to do what they want with their own lives providing they dont hurt someone else

[MaxVO2]

Originally Posted by sr71gn

its thinking like this that continually eats up our individual freedoms----people should have the right to do what they want with their own lives providing they dont hurt someone else

****I feel much the same way about having personal responsibility as you guys, but have travelled enough and seen enough where the reality is that you have to have rules limiting certain activities and/or behaviors for the good of everyone - some people are just stupid and irresponsible, have no common sense, and left to their own devices to do as they please, will hurt themselves directly, and indirectly hurt others around them.. these are the people I fear.

There aren't too many activities noted above by BlownZ and others that don't hurt other people. You could legalize drugs, have no speed limits, let people drive around drunk, and let everything be a free for all, but I think we would all be worse off due to the actions of a few that are hazards to themselves and others. Do you think differently?

Obviously, this can all be taken too far, but there are reasons certain rules exist, and why laws are or have been enacted to limit smoking, underage drinking, enforcing property rights, noise ordinance laws, or whatever. You can't ban everything that could potentially cause problems, but you can somewhat minimize or make it harder for stupid, irresponsible people to keep from ruining the quality of life for the majority of reasonable people out there.

It's easy to say that people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long they don't hurt anyone, but there are always consequences to the decisions they or any of us make, and this is why we have so many laws, some of them seemingly stupid, and created because somebody did something stupid that had unintended consequences..


Billy

[BlownZ]

So someone might hurt someone else if we allow them to own a gun.

Should we outlaw guns?

You guys are killing me here...I can't believe what I am reading.

[The Blob]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

So someone might hurt someone else if we allow them to own a gun.

Should we outlaw guns?

You guys are killing me here...I can't believe what I am reading.

We're talking outlawing online gambling, not all gambling.

To use your gun analogy... do you think ALL guns from .22 pistols to .50 cal rifles should be legal for ANYONE to obtain easily and anonomously?... say at Wal Mart or online... how about being able to go to uzi.com, click on your favorite model and have it delivered to a P.O. box?

[bruce]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

So Bruce....what would you have us do with all of these other potentially harmful things? Make them illegal?

Try rereading what I said, I've never in anyway suggested outlawing all gambling, only it's availibility over the net. While gambling may not be a temptation to you, that lack of desire to be a gambling addict, isn't true for everyone.

If you want to stay with the gun ownership idea, then lets include the fact that they be supplied free of charge to anyone with a Net connection. IMO, while it's a novel idea, to force everyone to responsibily own a firearm, there are just too many crazies in this world to even try that free availability idea.

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by The Blob

We're talking outlawing online gambling, not all gambling.

To use your gun analogy... do you think ALL guns from .22 pistols to .50 cal rifles should be legal for ANYONE to obtain easily and anonomously?... say at Wal Mart or online... how about being able to go to uzi.com, click on your favorite model and have it delivered to a P.O. box?

Yes I do. If you can show that you are not a convicted felon and are legally entitled to own that gun then I think you should be able to buy them from the 7-11 on the corner.

If I want to buy a tank....I should be able to buy it. I think it is my right to keep and bear arms as provided for in the Constitution of the United States.

Online gambling is different than in person gambling how?

I guess others have different opinions than me...but I figure I am a grown adult who is responsible for my own actions and as such I should be able to wager my money on a horse race, card game, basketball game or what have you. It's MY money....why shouldn't I be able to do as I would with it?

What if I wanted to waste it buying a sports car? That's legal...but I can't bet on the Knicks game?

YMMV

[BlownZ]

Originally Posted by bruce

Try rereading what I said, I've never in anyway suggested outlawing all gambling, only it's availibility over the net. While gambling may not be a temptation to you, that lack of desire to be a gambling addict, isn't true for everyone.

If you want to stay with the gun ownership idea, then lets include the fact that they be supplied free of charge to anyone with a Net connection. IMO, while it's a novel idea, to force everyone to responsibily own a firearm, there are just too many crazies in this world to even try that free availability idea.

Why outlaw online gambling?

If I am responsible enough to drive to a local casino and gamble my money...why shouldn't I be able to log on in the comfort of my own home and play a few card games?

What business is it of yours? Why do you think you have the right to have your morals imposed on me?

I guess I interpret being a grown adult living in the USA differently than some.

[The Blob]

Originally Posted by BlownZ

Yes I do. If you can show that you are not a convicted felon and are legally entitled to own that gun then I think you should be able to buy them from the 7-11 on the corner.

You missed the part where I said anonomously. Should any anonomous person be allowed to order an AK47 over the net and have it delivered to a P.O. Box?

Online gambling is different t