How the other half thinks...

[STAGE 2]

Just thought you guys would like to know how democrats/liberals are looking at the hostage situation regarding Fox reporter Steve Centanni and his camera man.

(warning the following link contains the rantings of some sick and twisted people)

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=102x2455828

And I thought liberals had the market on compassion and tolerance.

[Red Regal T]

You mean ... WHY THE OTHER HALF STINKS!

[Skylark-69]

You give them too much credit by saying they think. They don't think-they feel.

[JSAautomotive]

You think they'll take in exchange Haninny, O'Reilly, Colter, or Rush in exchange?? LOL!!

[STAGE 2]

Glad you think the suffering of others is funny.

[JSAautomotive]

Originally Posted by STAGE 2

Glad you think the suffering of others is funny.

Actually I wasn't making fun of the people that are suffering, I was being serious about exchanging people that serve no usefull purpose to our society in exchange for those that do.

But maybe I should remind you of your own words where YOU WERE serious about something to do with accepting millions of dollars that was/were tied to millions of Jewish murders??

The Bush Crime family.....

George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler's regime. (1)

Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush. (2) On the 20th of October, the government commenced action against the company under the trading with the enemy act. (3) After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal. (4) In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past.(5)
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bu...ime_family.htm

Originally Posted by Stage2

So the Bush's are evil for making profit, but you are an example of the American dream because in your own words... I make my own way as a SELF EMPLOYED CAPITOLIST . We have a word for that where I come from, but I'll refrain so Blown doesnt have to put down his beer.

Originally Posted by Stage2

Being the capitalist that you are I'm sure that if your family handed you hundreds of millions of dollars you would simply refuse

Originally Posted by JSAautomotive

OH THIS IS NICE!! PAY ATTENTION EVERYONE!!

STAGE??

YOU'VE BEEN OUTED FOR WHAT YOU REALLY ARE. YOU AREN'T SOME "MORAL" CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN!! NO!! YOU AREN'T EVEN PART OF THE GROUP I WOULD CONSIDER DECENT ATTORNEYS. YOUR MIND HAS BEEN DISEASED BY MONEY SO BADLY THAT YOU CAN'T SEEM TO GRASP THE CONCEPT THAT ANYBODY WITH TRUE MORALS WOULD NEVER ACCEPT ONE RED PENNY OF THIS BLOOD MONEY. MONEY THAT WAS MADE AT THE EXPENSE OF MILLIONS OF JEWS DEATHS. I WOULD RATHER BE PISS POOR THAN TAKE ANY MONEY WAS MADE AS A RESULT OF BACKING THE NAZI MOVEMENT.

You can lie and cheat people as long as its in the name of justice

Don't worry there Stage... my moral compass works fine. Yours on the other hand is all screwed up.

[Skylark-69]

JSA is just a troll trying to upset people. Who cares what he "feels"?

[Mac in SD]

Richard N. Draheim, who wrote what you copy-pasted, is a libertarian nutcase out of Texas. The best places to find his trash on the web also deal with alien-UFO-assassination conspiracy crap.

These stories had circulated for years but resurfaced on May 13, 2003, in the Cuban Communist Party newspaper Granma, headlined, "Bush Family Funded Adolf Hitler." As the Associated Press reports, Prescott had been on the board of Union Banking Corp., whose majority owner, the Thyssen family of Germany, indeed had funded the Nazis against a feared communist takeover of Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Family leader Fritz Thyssen broke with Hitler over the 1938 Kristallnacht pogrom against the Jews, was stripped of his citizenship and fortune, and was in a Nazi prison at the time the elder Bush sat on that board. There is no evidence that Prescott Bush, who owned just one share of Union Banking, had anything to do with the Thyssen political work in Germany.

Some critics go even further to accuse the president of having inherited ill-gotten profits from a Nazi slave-labor operation near the Auschwitz death camp in Poland. But the Polish company in which Prescott Bush had an interest, Silesian-American Corp., was stolen by the Nazis in 1939, the year before Auschwitz was built. Discussing this controversy, columnist Joe Conason of the New York Observer writes, "Henry Ford was a Nazi collaborator. Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. was a Nazi sympathizer. Unless additional information emerges to indict him, Prescott Bush Sr. was neither. To misuse such terms for political advantage against his grandson is to trivialize very grave offenses."

Regarding these allegations, the Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." The rumors began with ultrarightist attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run, and were renewed during his 1988 run.
The New York Herald-Tribune never referred to him as "Hitler's Financial Angel". The Tribune referred to a German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel," and mentioned Bush only as an employee of an investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and imprisoned him. There has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers, apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush himself was known as "Hitler's Angel".

[STAGE 2]

Originally Posted by JSAautomotive

Actually I wasn't making fun of the people that are suffering, I was being serious about exchanging people that serve no usefull purpose to our society in exchange for those that do.

So because you disagree with their politics they deserve to be taken from their families, captured by terrorists and in all likelihood killed in some grotesque manner? Apparently that system of "philosophy" that you espouse to be so great places a different value on the lives of particular Americans. Tell me, whats the going rate for a conservative these days?

Don't worry there Stage... my moral compass works fine. Yours on the other hand is all screwed up.

Right

[GNandGS]

Good job Mac... I had already pointed out how the idiot was wrong but you did it much better.
Crunch.

[Mac in SD]

Originally Posted by GNandGS

Good job Mac... I had already pointed out how the idiot was wrong but you did it much better.
Crunch.

Thanks.

Maybe you can answer a question for me... How come the moonbats don't come back with a snappy reply on posts like that?

[JSAautomotive]

Originally Posted by Mac in SD

Richard N. Draheim, who wrote what you copy-pasted, is a libertarian nutcase out of Texas. The best places to find his trash on the web also deal with alien-UFO-assassination conspiracy crap.

These stories had circulated for years but resurfaced on May 13, 2003, in the Cuban Communist Party newspaper Granma, headlined, "Bush Family Funded Adolf Hitler." As the Associated Press reports, Prescott had been on the board of Union Banking Corp., whose majority owner, the Thyssen family of Germany, indeed had funded the Nazis against a feared communist takeover of Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Family leader Fritz Thyssen broke with Hitler over the 1938 Kristallnacht pogrom against the Jews, was stripped of his citizenship and fortune, and was in a Nazi prison at the time the elder Bush sat on that board. There is no evidence that Prescott Bush, who owned just one share of Union Banking, had anything to do with the Thyssen political work in Germany.

Some critics go even further to accuse the president of having inherited ill-gotten profits from a Nazi slave-labor operation near the Auschwitz death camp in Poland. But the Polish company in which Prescott Bush had an interest, Silesian-American Corp., was stolen by the Nazis in 1939, the year before Auschwitz was built. Discussing this controversy, columnist Joe Conason of the New York Observer writes, "Henry Ford was a Nazi collaborator. Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. was a Nazi sympathizer. Unless additional information emerges to indict him, Prescott Bush Sr. was neither. To misuse such terms for political advantage against his grandson is to trivialize very grave offenses."

Regarding these allegations, the Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." The rumors began with ultrarightist attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run, and were renewed during his 1988 run.
The New York Herald-Tribune never referred to him as "Hitler's Financial Angel". The Tribune referred to a German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel," and mentioned Bush only as an employee of an investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and imprisoned him. There has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers, apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush himself was known as "Hitler's Angel".

Ok... if I'm a tweeker then you're a schpinkter boy. Keep on reading your right wing drab B.S. Websites. But here's the same story from your precious Fox news. Funny?? Seems that you've left out some important facts about Union bank being seized by the U.S. Govt under the "Trading with the Enemy Act" 1942. And who was one of seven directors of Union bank?? Yep... ol Prescott Bush. It's all about the money right?? Schpinkter boy?? lol!!

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler

Friday, October 17, 2003

WASHINGTON — President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

Trent Duffy, a spokesman for President Bush, declined to comment.

Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was "closely affiliated" with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza, the report said.

The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists.

E. Roland Harriman, the bank chairman and brother of former New York Gov. W. Averell Harriman (search), held 3,991 shares. Bush had one share.

Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act (search).

No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors. The federal government was too busy trying to fight the war, said Donald Goldstein, a professor of public and international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh.

"We did not have the resources to do these things," Goldstein said.
Fritz Thyssen broke with the Nazis in 1938 over their persecution of Catholics and Jews, and fled to Switzerland. He later was arrested and spent 1941 to 1945 in a Nazi prison. His brother lived in Switzerland from 1932 to 1947 but continued to operate businesses in Germany.

The new documents were first reported by freelance writer John Buchanan in The New Hampshire Gazette. Not Richard N. Draheim. Schpinkter boy.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

[JSAautomotive]

I like the way you try to downplay how it was "ONLY" one share. One share worth 1.5 million dollars which launched the Bush family investments in Texas energy.

It was blood money buddy. And because our govt didn't have the time to deal with it because we were running a war, these scumbag ended up keeping this blood money.

War seizures controversy

Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Dealing with Nazi Germany wasn't illegal (but sure as hell had immoral implications!!!) when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City.

The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman)
Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take the full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)
The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Bush's interest in UBC consisted of one share. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry. This presupposes that Union Banking Corporation was worth $4 billion, of which almost all would have been paid to the Harrimans. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html by Cecil Adams addresses this claim with some skepticism.

Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Oswiecim, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed. Allegations that Prescott Bush profited from slave labor or the Auschwitz concentration camp remain unsubstantiated.

There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." [2] The rumors began with extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run and were renewed during his 1988 run.

The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush only as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and imprisoned him. Reportedly, however, there has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers, apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush himself was known as "Hitler's Angel".

Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[4] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed.[5]

(For more information on the Bush family and the arms industry, see Samuel P. Bush.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Like I've always said.... these scumbags are all about money. No matter how or where they make it. The Bush crime family.

[JSAautomotive]

Originally Posted by GNandGS

Good job Mac... I had already pointed out how the idiot was wrong but you did it much better.
Crunch.

And I already pointed out how you are wrong. So prove me wrong there fella?? I've more than just heresay from some B.S. right wing drab website. Faux news and Wikipedia says so. Who says otherwise?? You Republitard pals?? LOL!!

[GNandGS]

"The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated."

Those drab right wing Jews from Fox News forgot to "stick together" when it comes to your googled opinion.

This doesnt mean I align myself with them... I mean, what do I know as a NON Jew anyway...

[JSAautomotive]

Originally Posted by GNandGS

"The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated."

Those drab right wing Jews from Fox News forgot to "stick together" when it comes to your googled opinion.

This doesnt mean I align myself with them... I mean, what do I know as a NON Jew anyway...

Seems YOU have a comprehension problem. The ADL is NOT denying the allogations. They are saying that they are politcally motivated. The only reason why someone would have looked into this would be to get some "dirt" on somebody, regardless if it was politically or otherwise motivated. Doesn't mean it's not true. You could just as easily search into govt records also and see that Trading With the Enemy Act was enacted and on October 20, 1942. The U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City with included The Harriman business interests which Prescott Bush was totally a part of and which George W. ended up with a substantial amount of money from.

Like I said before..... blood money. And all you guys want to do is defend this POS scumbag. Nice.

[GNandGS]

"untenable"

Idiot.

[Mac in SD]

Originally Posted by JSAautomotive

Ok... if I'm a tweeker then you're a schpinkter boy. Keep on reading your right wing drab B.S. Websites. But here's the same story from your precious Fox news. Funny?? Seems that you've left out some important facts about Union bank being seized by the U.S. Govt under the "Trading with the Enemy Act" 1942. And who was one of seven directors of Union bank?? Yep... ol Prescott Bush. It's all about the money right?? Schpinkter boy?? lol!!

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