Are WWII vets criminals?

[STAGE 2]

I recieved a PM from our resident "intellectual".

In another thread I wrote...

Originally Posted by Stage2

Well lets see if you believe in what you write.

Its been documented that on D-day german prisoners were killed by some of our paratroopers since they could not spare any men to guard them and complete the invasion at the same time. We're talking about uniformed troops shot while unarmed.

Are they war criminals JSA. Are you gonna go down to the old folks home and call these guys anti-american. Are you gonna demand that they be tried?

Well?

He responded so eloquently in a pm...

Originally Posted by JSAautomotive

Hey jackass?? Did you know that O'Reilly got it wrong and it was THE GERMANS THAT KILLED U.S. SOLDIERS?? Bwahhhaahhaahahahha!!! You really are an assclown!!! You don't even bother checking out the story to find out O'Reilly got it totally wrong!!! Oh my god!!! This is tooo funny. You are such an idiot!!! And you think you're an attorney!! This is really really funny.

First, you didn't answer the question.

Second, what I was referring to has nothing to do with anything O'reilly said. Third, there are several incidences during the war where american troops shot unarmed germans as they had no resources to guard or transport them. This occured on both D-day and throughout the war.

So specifically to JSA and to any other person that would like to weigh in, are these men war criminals? Should they be prosecuted? Lets see where you stand.


P.S. Blown, does the whole being civil and acting like an adult apply to PM's as well?

[86gngirl]

I have a WWII documentary on VHS that will confirm what Stage2 says is correct. You pay the shipping and return it , Anyone is welcome to view it.

[JSAautomotive]

I think this was/is a post to intentionally stir up the crap just like the "Hey Red" thread I started.

Stage2... let me explain to you the concept of PM. It's for those that want to keep things off the threads that doesn't meet the criteria of being in a thread.

Still being a lawyer aren't you.

Oh....
And get to work and stop wasting our tax dollars.

[86NYGN]

Originally Posted by STAGE 2

I recieved a PM from our resident "intellectual".

In another thread I wrote...




He responded so eloquently in a pm...





First, you didn't answer the question.

Second, what I was referring to has nothing to do with anything O'reilly said. Third, there are several incidences during the war where american troops shot unarmed germans as they had no resources to guard or transport them. This occured on both D-day and throughout the war.

So specifically to JSA and to any other person that would like to weigh in, are these men war criminals? Should they be prosecuted? Lets see where you stand.


P.S. Blown, does the whole being civil and acting like an adult apply to PM's as well?

No I don't believe they are, depending upon the circumstances. If there was no other alternative,IE no POW camp near, no extra GI's to guard them, then they are KIA's. I never had a situation arise when I was in Viet Nam where we had to make a decision like you mention BUT if it came between having a prisoner jeprodize my platoons presence by yelling or doing something else to get me or my buddies shot at or killed then said prisoner would have been KIA.

[STAGE 2]

Originally Posted by JSAautomotive

Stage2... let me explain to you the concept of PM. It's for those that want to keep things off the threads that doesn't meet the criteria of being in a thread.

I understand the concept of a PM. I also understand what it means to be civil and adult. Since you failed to act civil, you waive your right to have your attacks kept in private...

...and I still noticed you didn't answer the question.

[Skylark-69]

I'll give you an answer- HELL NO! They did what they had to. JSA, the card carrying ACLU member wants to pretend he supports our troops to show what a patriot he is. Then he turns around and says they are guilty before the investigation is over. I'm betting his so-called military friends don't know how he really feels. I doubt he has the guts to say the things he says here to them.

[RobsIron]

HEROES!

[Red Regal T]

Just to give some background on what O'Reilly said. He was talking with Wesley Clark, a total buffoon IMO, and part of the cut and run club, but that aside, O'Reilly in the course of the conversation brought up Americans killing German prisoners at Malmudy. Now, in reality, it was the other way around. Germans who killed Americans. Really, in my opinion, it was simply a mistake. It wasn't what the conversation was about, and O'Reilly simply reversed this obscure, historical event, in the course of the conversation.

The next day on MSNBC, one of the shows that is just a bash Republicans, conservatives show,(I forget the name) they did a 10 minute bash of O'Reilly and accused him of slamming American troops. It was a vicious smear....A total lie and mischaracterization of what was said on O'Reilly's show. This is how the left works. If they can't beat you with facts and ideas, which they seldom can, they attempt to defame you by any means possible.

[JSAautomotive]

Originally Posted by Skylark

Then he turns around and says they are guilty before the investigation is over.

Are you lying again??? What is it with you republitards that can't seem to grasp a concept of what is and isn't illegal.

Skylark.... please post here where I ever said that people in the military are guilty before an investigation is over?? I'll be waiting for your response.

Me and Billy were talking about this yesterday as a matter of fact. He said that things happen in combat, especially when you've been deployed several times in an area most people wouldn't even want to visit, nonetheless spend a few years there. The mens moral gets worn down, many aren't trained regarding the rules of combat and some need re-training (which I think the Pentagon required a few weeks ago BECAUSE of the Haditha incident). Bill and his team members are from an elite unit. When they are called in, it's usually a blood bath whereas when you have troops doing rounds of certain area's, they have to use the utmost patience and care to diffrentiate enemy combatants from civiliians. I have alot of respect for the difficult job they have. But the law is the law, and rules of combat are set in stone.

Stage.... I'll have to research your points. I'm not sure if they had the same Geneva Conventions or rules in place during WWII. I know that these things happened because my mother was in France as a child. My Uncles eye was shot out by an American soldier. Things happen during war and sometimes our military aren't the most diplomatic, but you also have to understand where they are coming from.

[Red Regal T]

Originally Posted by 86NYGN

No I don't believe they are, depending upon the circumstances. If there was no other alternative,IE no POW camp near, no extra GI's to guard them, then they are KIA's. I never had a situation arise when I was in Viet Nam where we had to make a decision like you mention BUT if it came between having a prisoner jeprodize my platoons presence by yelling or doing something else to get me or my buddies shot at or killed then said prisoner would have been KIA.

Well, I can guaran-damn-tee ya, that wouldn't be the case today, because of the leftist media, and leftist ideology. The leftist elitists, who hate the military, and want it disabled or disbanded, would call for the heads of any soldiers responsible for the murder of prisoners, even though leaving them alive would have jeopardized your very survival. In their view, better you die than have some foreign country point a finger at America and say we kill prisoners.

[STAGE 2]

Originally Posted by JSAautomotive

Stage.... I'll have to research your points. I'm not sure if they had the same Geneva Conventions or rules in place during WWII.

I'll save you the trouble. Even back then it was against international law to shoot uniformed prisoners.

So lets hear your answer.

[JSAautomotive]

Originally Posted by Red Regal T

Just to give some background on what O'Reilly said. He was talking with Wesley Clark, a total buffoon IMO

A clear cheap shot at our ex-military. And you are who Red??? What division??? Troop??? You said Navy right?? Tell us oh great war warrior when and where you served??? And then you bash Murtha?? A 34 YEAR VETERAN!!! Nice.... only the Republitards could think of such a thing. To disgrace people that served honorably. Unlike the dis-honorable service the Jorge Anheiser Busch did.

Originally Posted by Red Regal T

The next day on MSNBC, one of the shows that is just a bash Republicans, conservatives show,(I forget the name) they did a 10 minute bash of O'Reilly and accused him of slamming American troops. It was a vicious smear....A total lie and mischaracterization of what was said on O'Reilly's show. This is how the left works. If they can't beat you with facts and ideas, which they seldom can, they attempt to defame you by any means possible.

Yeah... just leave out the facts like you always do there Red. It's the problem with the lying Republitards. Either you're just not smart enough to get the facts, or you're decitfull little coniggits that just don't know when to keep your mouthes shut. So rather than serve up more rhetoric, I will put the O'Reilly story straight for you with video proof that O'Reilly is the biggest idiot to grace the air waves.

Watch the Keith Oberman 7 minute clip at 2:14 min
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/06/01.html#a8537

where it shows Bill O'Reilly interviewing Westly Clark on Oct 3rd 2005 where he tells Westly he needs to look at the WWII Malmedy massacre where U.S. troops killed 84 Germans. Westly and O'Reilly were debating the Abu Gharaib war crimes and O'Reilly used the comparison of U.S. troops doing the same in WWII.

Now I can understand how some people make mistakes. Ok. But if I were Bill... I would damn well sure check out my info about U.S. troops massacreing Germans before I went on national TV and said so. But that's ok. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt for just not checking his facts.

But then again on May 30th 2006 at 3:51 of the video he makes the same stupid statement to Westly Clark again when they are debating the Haditha incident. He says that

"it's a fact that at Malmedy U.S. troops captured German forces that were un-armed and had their hands in the air and U.S. forces shot them down anyway. You know that, that's on the record, it's been documented."

Ok.... so now what are we to think?? That O'Reilly is really the retard that Oberman says he is... that he's the joke that keeps on giving, that he's the same oaf that keeps on stepping on the rake to give us just one more laugh at how stupid the bloviating right wing pundit can be. I say guys like him are dangerous to our free society. That guys like Red just like O'Reilly will skew the truth just to make their demented conservative thoughts something of reality. Nothing can be farther from the truth. O'Reilly is a liar.

And you Red..... don't tell the whole story as you do many times here. Which... in another episode of JSAautomotive smacking down the righties, you've been outed for what you are.

[weester87]

"Well, I can guaran-damn-tee ya, that wouldn't be the case today, because of the leftist media, and leftist ideology. The leftist elitists, who hate the military, and want it disabled or disbanded,"

Mumble mumble mumble! ................................

[SouthernCal GN]

Simple answer - no. As has been put so eloquently, "War is Hell". Stuff happens.

It's easy (and ignorant) to attempt to fight a battle and presume guilt or innocence about a given matter from your armchair when the best sources of information we have are embedded reporters (who oftentime have there own agenda).

Best thing we can do is support the troops and the administration, and let history decide the outcome of the war. OR, maybe jump into the boots of the frontline service member, and view life from his standpoint.

[JSAautomotive]

Originally Posted by Stage2

Second, what I was referring to has nothing to do with anything O'reilly said. Third, there are several incidences during the war where american troops shot unarmed germans as they had no resources to guard or transport them. This occured on both D-day and throughout the war.

So specifically to JSA and to any other person that would like to weigh in, are these men war criminals? Should they be prosecuted? Lets see where you stand.

Well... you'll pardon me if I don't trust your understand of the law. Other threads have shown you are barely capable of being an attorney.

But if these laws were in place and it was considered a crime back then, then yes.... I would say that it was illegal to shoot unarmed germans and the ones responsible should be held accountable.

The difference between you and me is, I believe in doing the right thing, no matter how hard it would be. I've taken hits and lost money because I've stood up for what was right in the past. I know I can sleep at night with my decisions. And many military people I know feel the same way about this. Its the old addage, "2 wrongs don't make a right". If we are the great country we say we are, and we believe in the democratic justice that we are trying to instill in Iraq today, then you must walk that line. No matter how difficult it is. That is the true character of a man and is usually what most people can't stand about lawyers. They'll take any case or stand on the obivous wrong side to defend someone that they know may be, or have a high probability to be guilty. I don't know how lawyers can do what they do for a living. So I guess I'll just stay the "greasemonkey" that RobsIron calls me.

At least I can sleep at night.

[weester87]

Hey Stage 2,

You're the so-called legal beagel, whats the correct response?

[BlownZ]

Stage...I would prefer that if you have an issue with a PM that you feel is harassing or out of line then forward it to me or to an Admin to be dealt with instead of starting a thread that is doomed to end up in the trash can.

I do agree with you that PMs should abide by the same guidelines however.