New Bowling Green RACING CLASS 2007

[Jugular]

As Flyin3 said "someone could show up with a totally stock looking car with alky injection and turn an 11 second time slip...just my .02 cents" Well someone could also show up with a totally stock looking car with a bored and stroked 109 with some really good ported heads a stealthy stock looking turbo and a FAST XFI hidden somewhere and make everyones jaws hit the ground too. This would be the intent of the class in my honest opinion.

[flyin3]

Originally Posted by Jugular

Well someone could also show up with a totally stock looking car with a bored and stroked 109 with some really good ported heads a stealthy stock looking turbo and a FAST XFI hidden somewhere and make everyones jaws hit the ground too. This would be the intent of the class in my honest opinion.

yes but how many people have something like that....not a whole lot of people...i think with a certain set amount of money not alot but a little money you would have some great racing a huge turnout and you would get all sorts of diffrent "recipes" to get a car to go fast and cheap...sure you can still do your totally stock looking bored/stroked engine but i think if someone is making a new class, why not try to get the best turnout and response possible?

[HyperV6]

GNocide, I really apperciate you and the others for trying to start this new class. I was just hoping for a heads-up class that the majority of street driven Buick owner can race in. Best of luck with the class. I'll be watching in Bowling Green.

Craig

[Keller]

Isn't this exactly what they had in 2000?

I ran my T. Heads never off. TA49 and blue tops. Running 12-teens to 12.0s in some nasty heat. Managed my first 11.9x during their local brackets later Saturday night when it cooled down. BTW, I qualified mid-pack.

I also got a lot of heat for being the only one scrutinizing other cars hard. People were trying all sorts of things. TTA ICs, plenum spacers, battery relocation, etc. None of it allowed by the rules. Most of it was cleaned up before we ran. And the cars were fairly matched.

Chances are you won't get many or any cars to show. Any gems that will pass the rules will be too precious for their owners to run them. Or they just don't want to get beat by a ringer that has 5-figures spend to win a grand.

[SVORay]

Originally Posted by JayC

And if you're going to require the stock airbox, .

Stock air box...what and the heck does that thing look like anyways

This class is a very cool idea but they reeaallllyy need to relax on the rules in order to have enough people to fill it.

[GNocide]

guys
they only way alot of people are going to fill it-
is if they return there cars to real stock looking higher dollar status vehicles;
meaning whats under lined in the rules of the bone stock class

[SVORay]

Originally Posted by GNocide

guys
they only way alot of people are going to fill it-
is if they return there cars to real stock looking higher dollar status vehicles;
meaning whats under lined in the rules of the bone stock class

There probaly isn't enough TR owners that remembers how a stock air box installs..that is pervided they find one

Originally Posted by JayC

Stock TTY bolts - Who is going to put heads on an engine and use stock bolts? No studs I can see (Which even that I think is stupid but whatever) but stock TTY bolts? No logos on the heads? So ported heads are allowed as long as you dont use Champions or anyone else that stamps their logo on the end of the heads?

Ok, to be serious, I'm guessing these motors came stock with TTY bolts? I'm also guessing we're talking about Torque to Yeild bolts? If so, TTY bolts are none reuseable. You simple chunk them in the trash when you pull them out of the head. So I'm with Jay on this one as well. I would be very surprised to hear of anyone reusing TTY bolts. It wouldn't surprise me if you had to buy a TTY bolt from some aftermarket company like Fram. I had to do this once because Ford had stopped making bolts for a car. Anyhow, I think pulling a valve cover to inspect for stuff like studs or stock TTY bolts is over kill.

[GNocide]

Originally Posted by SVORay

There probaly isn't enough TR owners that remembers how a stock air box installs..that is pervided they find one



Ok, to be serious, I'm guessing these motors came stock with TTY bolts? I'm also guessing we're talking about Torque to Yeild bolts? If so, TTY bolts are none reuseable. You simple chunk them in the trash when you pull them out of the head. So I'm with Jay on this one as well. I would be very surprised to hear of anyone reusing TTY bolts. It wouldn't surprise me if you had to buy a TTY bolt from some aftermarket company like Fram. I had to do this once because Ford had stopped making bolts for a car. Anyhow, I think pulling a valve cover to inspect for stuff like studs or stock TTY bolts is over kill.

reread post # 27 in this thread on page 3 i think,
about head bolts/reasons or to clear up any guessing

[Jugular]

"Ok, to be serious, I'm guessing these motors came stock with TTY bolts? I'm also guessing we're talking about Torque to Yeild bolts? If so, TTY bolts are none reuseable. You simple chunk them in the trash when you pull them out of the head. So I'm with Jay on this one as well. I would be very surprised to hear of anyone reusing TTY bolts. It wouldn't surprise me if you had to buy a TTY bolt from some aftermarket company like Fram. I had to do this once because Ford had stopped making bolts for a car. Anyhow, I think pulling a valve cover to inspect for stuff like studs or stock TTY bolts is over kill."

You can also still get a correct looking TTY bolt. I don't remember the supplier right off the top of my head. You don't have to pull valve covers to see the bottom head bolts. They are easily seen IE the bottom row of bolts. There is no mention of actual tear down in the rules.

"This class is a very cool idea but they reeaallllyy need to relax on the rules in order to have enough people to fill it."

How much more relaxed can you get. You have to read between the lines just like you have to in any racing class. It's all in interpretation. Rules are bent in every class.

yes but how many people have something like that....not a whole lot of people...i think with a certain set amount of money not alot but a little money you would have some great racing a huge turnout and you would get all sorts of diffrent "recipes" to get a car to go fast and cheap...sure you can still do your totally stock looking bored/stroked engine but i think if someone is making a new class, why not try to get the best turnout and response possible?

How many people have a something laying around that could run with the twin turbo cars. While I agree the rules are a little late for this year, I think someone somewhere would be interested in building a car for this class and maybe running next year. I could be wrong but anyone interested in any class has to start somewhere and build their car in order to be legal for that class.

[SVORay]

Originally Posted by Jugular

You can also still get a correct looking TTY bolt.

Thats cool, I would think a TTY bolt would have a more adavantage over a standard type bolt anyways.

Originally Posted by Jugular

How much more relaxed can you get.

Checking for bolt castings isn't relaxed in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jugular

It's all in interpretation. Rules are bent in every class.

Yes sir, but it sounds like a rescipe for desaster. Just let a guy with ARP head bolts win the event...

[Jugular]

Checking for bolt castings isn't relaxed in my opinion.

well comparing these rules to say TSS I would say they leave alot to the imagination.......

[GNocide]

Originally Posted by Jugular

well comparing these rules to say TSS I would say they leave alot to the imagination.......

so true- any class for that matter

[Scott231]

Umm, Turbo Street Stock allows Stage motors. How is that anywhere near "stock"?

[Jugular]

Scott231 Umm, Turbo Street Stock allows Stage motors. How is that anywhere near "stock"?

Well it appears that some changes have been made. Now only 109 blocks are allowed

[Sweet6]

I think a cool class would be 99% stock. Allow chip,fuel system and tires. Turn back the clock to 1988.

[GNocide]

“Bone stock” TR class qualifying ET 13.9

The bone stock tr class is intended to provide a race class for cars that are stock appearing. Unlike the TSS class where some visible mods are allowed for performance reasons virtually all of those will not be allowed in this class. This means if we can SEE it and its not how the car was delivered its not allowed. Or put another way if you have to ask if its ok------ its not!


Suspension :
NO frame mods or reinforcements, stock wheel base, stock unmodified control arms front and rear in original locations, since all the cars didn’t come with the same bushing compliment you can have them in all locations as long as they are GM bushings. No braces that didn’t come on the car. 8.5 inch 10 bolt GM rear with stock stamped cover. Stock size sway bars front and rear required with black bushings. Stock appearing brakes, drums back, disc front. Any type stock appearing shocks in stock location----any color ok. No air bags Car must sit at +/- one inch of stock ride height (this would be 8 inches from road surface to jacking holes in frame)

Engine compartment
109 block with no EXTERNAL mods, all original equipment intact and functioning—no deletions or additions that aren’t supported by build tag on inside trunk lid, Stock air box and snorkel any filter element, original size battery in stock location with original type side terminals, original waterpump manifold etc original appearing starter and 120A alternator, original GM headers with heat shields intact---may be welded for repair purposes, original downpipe with original type wastegate and solenoid----wastegate may be modified to make it adjustable, stock appearing turbo with stock inlet bell with vent intact---turbo must fit under unmodified shield mounted in stock location with stock bracket, stock appearing MAF (AC moulded with down turned plug) and OEM flex hose, stock intercooler with stock inlets/outlets, any size injectors in 6 stock locations, NO POWER ADDERS UNLESS THEY ARE TOTALLY INVISIBLE TO TEC JUDGES---IF WE SPOT IT---- ITS OUT!!! 8445 heads installed with GM TTY bolts with NO external mods (this includes logos), stock unmodified valve covers with oem filler cap, stock radiator and core, additional underhood wiring with no additions/deletions that aren’t supported by option tag-----only exceptions 1-alarm, 2- single relay and wiring for fuel pump upgrade, AC may be converted to R-134 and must be operational, powermaster with stock reservoir

Tranny
2004R with no external mods except for 2nd servo, stock pan and driveshaft---loop ok, any convertor or transbrake as long as it is not visible under or inside the car,

Tires/wheels
Any matched set of 15” or 16” steel or aluminum wheels allowed-------tires must be 275 or less DOT radials-----NO SLICKS

Interior
Full stock interior matching build sheet, stock shifter, only addition to gauges is boost and it must be pillar or console mounted, radio may be upgraded but must fit in stock location with no visible parts elsewhere

Exterior
No fiberglass body parts except for bumper fillers, stock operating glass windows and windshield, full size OEM aluminum or steel bumper supports, use of aluminum supports do not have to match build sheet _______in trunk, bumper shocks must be original/unmodified, no mods to sheet metal, fenders etc

Fuel system
Factory stock appearing tank, no visible additions to tank or pumps except for relay and wire upgrade, stock rail and lines

Exhaust
Downpipe must attach to stock elbow in stock fashion, downpipe must route in stock location, no flexpipe, stock appearing cat must be in stock location—may be hollowed but must be able to pass a 50 state VISUAL inspection, any single or dual exhaust allowed but must function (muffle) and exit in stock location, must be 2.5 inch or less pipes past “Y” connection at cat

[bison]

This class imo is a waste of time for the simple fact that no one is going to want to alter their low mileage original GN to compete effectively in this class. Stock TTY head bolts? Thats ridiculous. What if the heads had the correct stamping on them and they were some other bolt? Is this still legal? No mention of turbos as long as they are stock appearing. This is a low 11 sec class when you spend the thousands of dollars to build an externally stock appearing super stocker engine. I second JayC's response to the hidden nitrous. I could do it and i know it would not be visible. Too many grey areas here that need to be addressed.