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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:09 PM
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TSM-Legal 8-second pass

Don did it! 8.91@151.x
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Don did it! 8.91@151.x
Jeeze, that's fast!!! Great job. Remind me not to race you at the stoplight if I'm ever in Chicago. Glad your project produced such fantastic numbers. You da man.

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Jeeze, that's fast!!! Great job. Remind me not to race you at the stoplight if I'm ever in Chicago. Glad your project produced such fantastic numbers. You da man.

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Old November 6th, 2009, 04:52 PM
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My guess is Don Cruz! Congrats! But wrong section LOL!
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Cal told me 8.97 but I'm sure tomorrow he'll try harder :-). Jeeze, drive half of the night and all day today, cover 820 miles, and I missed it by about 10 minutes. Congratulations, Don and crew.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 06:04 PM
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Where can I find the TSM rules?

(I was just wondering if this was done on an 8-bolt 109 block and conventional heads)
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Old November 6th, 2009, 06:21 PM
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quick rundown
yes 109, no stage or ta blocks

71mm max on turbo or smaller

must weigh 3400# with iron heads 3550 with alum heads



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I got a call from Clint and he said 8.97, OFF THE TRAILER

Congrats, about as awesome as it gets!!!
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quick rundown
yes 109, no stage or ta blocks

70mm turbo or smaller

must weigh 3400# with iron heads 3550 with alum heads



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Not that it makes that much difference... but I think it is a 71 turbo.
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Big congrats to Don Cruz and crew!!! I and probably others said it would just be a matter of time...
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Old November 6th, 2009, 07:12 PM
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Not that it makes that much difference... but I think it is a 71 turbo.
sorry bout that ,fixed it , the plug for checking compressor cover opening as i recall is 71.5 so a 71 is legal, but most ive seen run the 70mm turbos
they allowed my 71Q back in 04

151 on a 109 is haulin
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How the frick are those guys keeping headgaskets on those cars ???

What is the secret ?

I'm so afraid to turn mine up... because of the lack of fasteners around the cylinders.
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How the frick are those guys keeping headgaskets on those cars ???

What is the secret ?

I'm so afraid to turn mine up... because of the lack of fasteners around the cylinders.

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So... they are...

A) Welding the heads on...

B) Welding ears/tabs on the block to accomodate extra fasteners ?
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Someone mentioned that that run resulted in the I/C being blown open.. Must have exceeded the 24# boost limit!!
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Re: TSM-Legal 8-second pass

"off the trailer" unreal! Congratulations Don

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Old November 6th, 2009, 11:23 PM
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Someone mentioned that that run resulted in the I/C being blown open.. Must have exceeded the 24# boost limit!!
Nope. Car was just fine. Going to try and run a little faster tomorrow in the cool morning air. Cruz built one heck of a TSM monster
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Someone mentioned that that run resulted in the I/C being blown open.. Must have exceeded the 24# boost limit!!
I think you are confusing Don and Roy Garcia, who split both intercooler tanks on his first pass Friday. They found someone to weld it up and he was running strong that night and Sat in TSO qualifying but had some kind of transbrake issue first round.

Don backed up the 8.97 Friday with an 8.8 Sat morning. Can't remember if it was 8.81 or 8.87, sigh. The missile is definitely flying!!!! Oh, he also won TSM :-).

While I'm typing, Dave Fiscus ran a personal best TSO-legal 8.16 at 173 or 4 mph but hurt his trans, and then the backup failed.
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Wow, great times!
Just curious though...... what kind of rpm is Don turning with a 275/60 dr and a 3.90 gear in the rear end at 151mph?
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While I'm typing, Dave Fiscus ran a personal best TSO-legal 8.16 at 173 or 4 mph but hurt his trans, and then the backup failed.
His new trans didnt work right,he went 8.16 on his back up trans,we think he hurt the backup on the 8.16 pass cause on the next pass it was gone
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Wow, great times!
Just curious though...... what kind of rpm is Don turning with a 275/60 dr and a 3.90 gear in the rear end at 151mph?
He looks to be running a tall slick in the vids
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he looks to be running a tall slick in the vids
nope

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In the GMHTP magazine it says he is using a 275/60 wit a 3.90 gear. I was just wondering what crazy rpm he must be turning to pull that off.
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in the gmhtp magazine it says he is using a 275/60 wit a 3.90 gear. I was just wondering what crazy rpm he must be turning to pull that off.
big cam = big rpm!!!
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Maybe the block is drilled for 1/2" studs to up the clamping and stability? That is what I would do for 8 bolt heads.
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Maybe the block is drilled for 1/2" studs to up the clamping and stability? That is what I would do for 8 bolt heads.
A well running car with a proper tune will stay together with the stock sized bolts especially at teh low boost levels Don runs
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Per the TCI HP Calculator

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152.93 @ 3,580 = 999.34

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