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July 3rd, 2009, 08:52 PM
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had the car looked at by a few mechanics and one of my rings is bad. so now i'm looking at redo all the rings.quotes i've had run 1200 or more. my ? is should i run comp rings and can running alky cause this problem more often? i'm new to it annd love the car but want it running strong and right. i want different opinions and experiances on this issue. so please let me know what you think. i did a compression check on all cylinders and 1 is showing 30 while the rest are at 120.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas. 
    
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July 3rd, 2009, 09:00 PM
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A ring wont show that low of compression, you have a blown headgasket, the fire ring went out and either went outward toward the header, or into the intake.
Pull the heads BW
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July 3rd, 2009, 10:53 PM
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July 4th, 2009, 12:39 AM
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X3 pull the heads,im betting head gasket
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July 4th, 2009, 02:00 AM
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X4. Get the idea?
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July 4th, 2009, 08:23 AM
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Any mechanic who makes such a claim, and does not at a minimum perform a leak down test, has no business working on other people's cars for $$.
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July 4th, 2009, 08:28 AM
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X6.. all good advice here.
After the head gasket is replaced you'll have to make sure the car is running rich at wide at open throttle and not detonating, other wise the gasket will pop again.
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July 4th, 2009, 12:38 PM
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NOTE that Otto used the plural of head!! As in head[s]. Pull BOTH of them.
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July 7th, 2009, 08:11 AM
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rings or headgasket
ok several of you guys are saying headgasket, but if i'm only getting bad compression on 1 cylinder would i necessarily have to replace both sides? can i get by replacing the bad side? and would i have to have the head or heads turned?
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 7th, 2009, 10:04 AM
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Again, that will be determined by what you find when you get the head off. That is why the other head needs to be removed and inspected as to save you blowing it later due to a presently unknown problem.
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July 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM
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head gasket R & R
ok so if i have a blown head gasket then i replace it and take the heads to get them turned. if both are good and just need to be machined then anyone have a ballpark of what would be a decent price at any reputable mechanic? if i have to but a head due to one being cracked then what do new or refurbed heads run? just wanted to ask since i'll be trying to get this done and would like to know a good price compared to someone looking to make a killing on me. i know alittle about it but not enough to do the work myself. also since the heads do have to come off i'm sure it's a good thing to get them looked at and turned???????
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 9th, 2009, 12:17 PM
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Chilton's labor guide 7.1 hours
532.50 labor 130.00 jet wash and surface mill cylinder heads 155.22 Victor Nitro-seal head set and valley pan 38.97 Joe Gibbs oil and GM filter 14.95 Antifreeze 48.28 ARP head bolts 25.74 AC delco r43TS plugs $945.78 before sales tax was the invoice I just looked at for the same job. I hope this helps.
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July 9th, 2009, 02:38 PM
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the guy i bought it from is going to do the work, he quoted me 5-600 roughly. i thought since i bought it from him he would know the car inside and out and when i took it to him and told him the issues i had with smoke and compression he said head gasket immediately. i don't know him very well but some of the people who know him say he's a good mechanic and is honest. Just dropped it off and he said he'll try and have it out by saturday. i'll be a happy camper then, only thing i have to work on fixing is the AC i need to put in another compressor. that will be the next thing i do.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 9th, 2009, 06:50 PM
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July 10th, 2009, 07:23 AM
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well it's in the best hands that i know of to find out and fix it, it runs fine with the exception of the smoke. i talked to bill duke and he said he thinks its the head gasket unless i screwed up a cylinder and he won't know until he has the heads off. so hoping for the head gasket having a bad spot letting the compression out and if it's worse then i guess i'll deal with it then. i swear that shop is one hell of a guys type of toy store. their doing a viper convert on a old school cuda and had a packard 8 in mint condition in one of the bays. bill duke has a great rep around here and hope he can get this taken care of at a reasonable rate. i know this won't be the last time i take the car to him for repair and am looking for upgrades in the future to include a knock sensor, that electronic gadget ( i can't think of the name of it right now but hooks up to your CPU and gives you info through a laptop) and temp sensor because i hate the dummy lite. any other up grades you guys can let me know, i would like some things to help me know when i need to check out things or have a had vaccuum line or ????
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 10th, 2009, 09:24 AM
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PLEASE buy yourself a Scanmaster & a good Boost Guage & a Fuel Pressure Guage with 3 feet of line so you can tape it to the windshield for checking problems OR you WILL be doing the gaskets on a regular basis! Your amount of boost is set by what octane fuel you use. An alchy kit will cover low octane & still let you run 20 lbs of boost very safely. Pay now or pay later but if you pay now then you can actually enjoy the car more. Also I dont know what chip you have but a Turbo Tweak chip burned for Your Combo will do wonders for your performance!
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July 10th, 2009, 09:57 AM
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scanmaster is one of the things i plan on buying real soon. i would like to be able to use it and get feedback from you guys on the readings. i was just curious what does the knock sensor does? i know alot of these things you mentioned will help keep it on the road then parked waiting for repair so i;m just trying to find out a game plan on how to make sure i get alot more road time then sitting time. so no temp gauge? i also am going to be ordering a pillar so i can add a few more gauges that are a must depending on how i drive it. i normally drive it like a grandma but the one time i got alittle pushy with it is when i got the blowby issue.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 10th, 2009, 10:18 AM
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PS: An Audible Knock guage is great! It screams & you Get Off the Gas real fast. Also it updates faster than the LED knock sensor. Also the knock sensor Retards Timing when it see's any knock
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87 LTD owned since May 88 No hood ornament from the factory! Old combo went 11.80 with 1.75 60 ft & broken crank gear teeth with 95* weather on a TA-49! New combo is roller & 6776 Turbo. Track times coming! Got in 1 pass at 11.30 & then blew up the tranny. 2010 here I come!
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July 10th, 2009, 10:23 AM
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thanks i'm going to add these to the list of things i'll be adding to the car when possible.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 10th, 2009, 10:23 PM
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You may want to turn the boost down untill you give yourself some time to read up on how to tune the car and get used to the car. I would start here for a good read. Vortex Turbo Buick Performance
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July 11th, 2009, 05:16 PM
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blowby resolution and mechanics diagnosis
just got the call late yesterday, cracked piston. i asked how the hell do you crack a piston. i was told running it without alcohol ( which i never even let it get close to being low ) running it hard when it's low on gas and something else but i can't remember what it was. WHat do you guys think, just normal wear and tear? was given a quote of 1300 for the RNR of the piston and all the work involved in getting it done right. now this is from the guy who i bought it from and he's got a good rep around my area on working on Turbo buicks. I'm taking his word for it, as i wouldn't know how to tear it down and rebuild it myself. trust me if i did, i wouldn't be spending 1300 on it, should have taken a freakin mechanic class back in HS instead of auto body. but back then i was denting cars like i owned a bumper car facility.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 11th, 2009, 06:02 PM
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body work is pretty similar to mechanical, you take stuff apart and put it back together. instead of lining up gaps its tolerences. i've been doing collision repair all my life, and i do all! the wrenching on my car. you could do the work,probally just a little intimidated. good luck with the repair,hope it works out. if you want to keep one of these cars running good, its alot easier and cheaper to learn how do do it yourself.
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July 12th, 2009, 06:13 PM
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i do agree and one of the reasons i bought the car is so i could do most of the repair. as of now i'm in no condition to do any of it due to having had a back fusion on the 8th of last month. so lifting anything over 10 lbs is out of the ?. i will be able to next year and i'm sure i'll get more accustomed to it by then. sure i'm intimidated by the inside of the motor and not knowing alot of it will make you think twice about turning the bolts on the engine. for now i'll pay someone to do the work but soon enough i'll be the mechanic on it. i know alot about it already but the inside the engine isn't something i'm real familuar with but i plan on knowing more sooner then later.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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July 12th, 2009, 07:58 PM
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datant, go to your user controls and add your location. One of us may be near you and can help.
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July 13th, 2009, 03:45 AM
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that would be North fort worth texas, Lone star buick club is in my area. last chance i had to make it to denton to check out some cars and get to know some people was the day my wife had her company picnic. She told me to go to denton and have fun. I'm sure that would have went over well, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and go with the wife. Company picnics in early june in texas, talk about HOT, over 100 in the shade.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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Well I'm in Hillsboro, Joe Schindler is in Benbrook, and Natacarlo (Dan) is in Dallas along with SuperCPA. I'm a little far for you but the other guys might be able to help.
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July 15th, 2009, 12:27 PM
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thanks guys, i'm sure we'll meet soon. i went by the shop on tues and saw the cracked piston, sucked but guess it's an expensive lesson. hope there is a lone star buick meet soon after i get my car back. i'd really like to meet the locals and get pointers and just make new freinds and network on this car and well life. will update you guys soon on how it's going.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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there's a show this saturday night. Go to the Texas section on the board and SuperCPA has listed location and times. I might be able to make it this time since I don't have to go to work for the moment.
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July 15th, 2009, 06:23 PM
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thanks guys, well the car should be ready if they get the piston pressed into the block and everything goes well. i'll try and make it and again, you guys are great and look forward to networking and making new freinds in the turbo buick community.
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87 gn clock reads 100K, Precision Turbo w/ Alky setup SMC pump management, 42 lb injectors,hooker exhaust sytem. Y'd out before the flows so i can run it quiet or loud with the turn of 3 screws. Other then that, still learning about since it's been in my hands may 8th 2009, North Fort Worth Texas.
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