beginning to hate E85! - Page 2

Reggie West · #36 (**permalink**) March 4th, 2008, 07:48 PM

I stand corrected. What I read indicates what you said yet the Science channel said it was high fructose corn syrup.

ronbuick · #37 (**permalink**) March 5th, 2008, 10:35 AM

And guess why we can not import their sugar cane, tariff's form the sugar lobby makes it too expensive to buy, via the Discovery channel. We need to get cellulosic going and fast.

Ron

TurboDave · #38 (**permalink**) March 5th, 2008, 12:44 PM

Fortunately, there is a company (can't remember their name) partnered with GM, that is perfecting a process to produce e85 at little more than a dollar a gallon, AND use only 1 gallon of water for each gallon of e85!!

They are able to produce it from many cellulosic, AND waste materials. Even including plastics and old tires!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the kind of break through that is needed, but they said full production (whatever that means) is still a few years away (2010-2011).

MrMNTTA · #39 (**permalink**) March 5th, 2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboDave

Fortunately, there is a company (can't remember their name) partnered with GM, that is perfecting a process to produce e85 at little more than a dollar a gallon, AND use only 1 gallon of water for each gallon of e85!!

They are able to produce it from many cellulosic, AND waste materials. Even including plastics and old tires!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the kind of break through that is needed, but they said full production (whatever that means) is still a few years away (2010-2011).

FYI - the company is called Cokata - and yes, that would be awesome if they could make it work.

BoostCrzy · #40 (**permalink**) March 7th, 2008, 05:58 PM

i think the price of gas should go up to about 6 or 7 bux a gallon....maybe more...then the only people on the road will be the ones who could afford it...and THAT would cut the pollution...and reduce the amount of consumption...plus it would force Mass transit to be implemented properly....

comp · #41 (**permalink**) March 7th, 2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostCrzy

i think the price of gas should go up to about 6 or 7 bux a gallon....maybe more...then the only people on the road will be the ones who could afford it...and THAT would cut the pollution...and reduce the amount of consumption...plus it would force Mass transit to be implemented properly....

what you smokin' ?????? share

My-We4 · #42 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboDave

Fortunately, there is a company (can't remember their name) partnered with GM, that is perfecting a process to produce e85 at little more than a dollar a gallon, AND use only 1 gallon of water for each gallon of e85!!

They are able to produce it from many cellulosic, AND waste materials. Even including plastics and old tires!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the kind of break through that is needed, but they said full production (whatever that means) is still a few years away (2010-2011).

if that works, that company will be bought up by big oil soon.

.....we will never hear from them again

Plug Power was a small, independent fuel cell developer in Troy NY..they we making huge steps forward in that technology..(about 8-10 years ago)....till GE bought them out....you don't hear a whisper from them now....

TurboDave · #43 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by My-We4

if that works, that company will be bought up by big oil soon.

.....we will never hear from them again

Plug Power was a small, independent fuel cell developer in Troy NY..they we making huge steps forward in that technology..(about 8-10 years ago)....till GE bought them out....you don't hear a whisper from them now....

Hope not, Since GM is their partner in this, I doubt GM will let that happen.

ronbuick · #44 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2008, 09:36 AM

Boostcrzy, you must live in the big city, so you must you using public trans??
what are the people that live out of the city and need to commute, ie, in the
PNW or country side supposed to do, Etc?, I need what you are smokin!! so I do not have to face reality.

Ron

TurboDave · #45 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ronbuick

Boostcrzy, you must live in the big city, so you must you using public trans??
what are the people that live out of the city and need to commute, ie, in the
PNW or country side supposed to do, Etc?, I need what you are smokin!! so I do not have to face reality.

Ron

City dwellers always seem to forget, we don't all have ready access to mass transit of any kind.

SnyperBob · #46 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbuick

Boostcrzy, you must live in the big city, so you must you using public trans??
what are the people that live out of the city and need to commute, ie, in the
PNW or country side supposed to do, Etc?, I need what you are smokin!! so I do not have to face reality.

Ron

The answer to your question would be that rural people should car pool to conserve fuel....

SnyperBob · #47 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostCrzy

i think the price of gas should go up to about 6 or 7 bux a gallon....maybe more...then the only people on the road will be the ones who could afford it...and THAT would cut the pollution...and reduce the amount of consumption...plus it would force Mass transit to be implemented properly....

I think what BoostCrzy is hinting at, is that if people were forced (by super high gas prices) to find other means of transportation, the world would be a better place. (Less pollution, less consumption, etc...)

Why do you think most people in large European cities drive Festivas, mopeds, and Mini Cooper type cars??

He's also hinting that the state of mass transit is junk. Look at Chicago's CTA fiasco...what a joke.

Scott4DMny · #48 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2008, 05:57 PM

I just wanna use E85 so I can order my license plate. "CORN FED"

novaderrik · #49 (**permalink**) March 9th, 2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SnyperBob

The answer to your question would be that rural people should car pool to conserve fuel....

and the answer to that is that not everyone is going in the same direction at the same time, so carpooling isn't really a viable option for a lot of people.

SnyperBob · #50 (**permalink**) March 10th, 2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by novaderrik

and the answer to that is that not everyone is going in the same direction at the same time, so carpooling isn't really a viable option for a lot of people.

The answer to what? Everyone can't fit in one car. Can I have some of what you're smokin'? ...

MrMNTTA · #51 (**permalink**) March 10th, 2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SnyperBob

The answer to what? Everyone can't fit in one car. Can I have some of what you're smokin'? ...

I could be wrong, but I don't think he's saying everyone can't fit in the car. He's saying that once they get in the car, they aren't going the same direction to work since they may not work at the same place. Which would make carpooling useless.

TurboDave · #52 (**permalink**) March 10th, 2008, 09:56 AM

And to add one more grain of salt to the corn based ethanol problems, here's one more.
There was an article in our local paper this weekend talking about corn ethanol (the only present day viable technology for producing ethanol) as a general replacement for imported oil. The one of many things that the backers haven't maybe thought about much.
Our corn production is being pushed to the absolute limit, and as corn based ethanol (now in virtually all gasoline at at least a 10% concentration) starts growing even more.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A DROUGHT HITS THE CORN BELT???????

MrMNTTA · #53 (**permalink**) March 10th, 2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboDave

And to add one more grain of salt to the corn based ethanol problems, here's one more.
There was an article in our local paper this weekend talking about corn ethanol (the only present day viable technology for producing ethanol) as a general replacement for imported oil. The one of many things that the backers haven't maybe thought about much.
Our corn production is being pushed to the absolute limit, and as corn based ethanol (now in virtually all gasoline at at least a 10% concentration) starts growing even more.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A DROUGHT HITS THE CORN BELT???????

Dave, I'll tell you one thing that I know for sure. You will not hear anyone with any knowledge in the ethanol industry that will tell you that ethanol is the cure-all for all the energy problems we have. Ethanol is not a "general replacement" for oil, and has NEVER intended to be. Anyone with that notion has no clue. There isn't enough grain in the nation to accomplish that, and I don't mean just corn. It's going to take many other technologies, wind, solar, water, etc, etc, and even then oil will still be a big part of the energy matrix.

Dave, what is your knowledge of our current corn crop from 2007? The USA exported more corn this year, and we are reported to have the biggest surplus than we've had in years also. Where is your hard data that proves out what you've said? Where is all of this strain you speak of? The biggest reason corn is so high is because the wheat crop from last year was down worldwide and they're turning to corn for the shortfall. This has been stated already in this thread, but it doesn't seem like people want to read the responses.

Here's the problem. A major majority of the types of progaganda that are out there are being funded by the oil companies and their record earnings. Have you taken the time to read some of the rebuttals to all of the negative press?

Just as NovaDerrick said, you are going to believe what you want. It also sounds like you believe everything you read without having an educated opinion from both sides.

What happens when a drought hits the corn belt? Well, God forbid, hopefully cellulosic technology gets going and can make up some of the shortfall. If not, we'll turn to oil. No one will really know until it happens.