TAI Class for 2008 BG Nationals

[scot w.]

Originally Posted by Mike Licht

Why? it's not like tons of guys are getting down the track with 76's and pump gas/alky. You can't really buy a 3 bolt 76 now PTE does not want to build them becuse the Q trim 76 is not not a good match and the s turbine will not fit in the housing. They can run brackets if they don't make the quick 8 and a stock turbo has just as much chance to win money there. I don't get it, no matter what you do people are not happy.
Mike

I guess what mike is really trying to say here is: There really isn't as many people with 76mm turbo's on there street car as there are 45a's, 54mm, 63mm, 67mm, and the resent popular 70mm. I'm going to BG regaurdless! So, YOU GUY'S should really consider the fact that this class (TAI) was started as a street car class and these cars SHOULD remain and represent street cars with the least stuff pulled off the car and use drag radials LIKE WE DO ON THE STREET!!! D/R's have been into the low 5's in the 1/8th so I don't think the saftey of the drag radials is a big issue! I see it being more a prefrence than anything for some. My idea of a street car class means to drive your car there with all working equipment, Titled, registered, and insured. Run it in the (TAI street class LIKE YOU WOULD ON THE STREET!) and be able to drive it home!! Julio, Mike, Jack (who ever is going to set the rules) Needs to stop listening to all this garble and make the rules and call it a day! This has gotten way out of hand, PLEASE make the rules and post them seperately and then we will take it from there on who like's the class and who don't! Who will be showing to race and who won't!

Make the rules and post them seperately then watch people cry and whine about them!

Put a stop to 350 post's of constant bickering over lousy sh*t to make it around everyones personal combo's! That includes me too! I don't care if the turbo max is a 67. that is what I'll have to deal with.

Take a look at some of the most popular turbo's sold in the last two years that people are using on the street and there ya go! Wala!

I'm un-subscribed untill the rules come out, Good luck all !!!

Scot W.

[V6RACER]

Heck, I'll be in if the rules will allow and the payout is worth it..

[TURBO 6]

Originally Posted by scot w.

I guess what mike is really trying to say here is: There really isn't as many people with 76mm turbo's on there street car as there are 45a's, 54mm, 63mm, 67mm, and the resent popular 70mm. I'm going to BG regaurdless! So, YOU GUY'S should really consider the fact that this class (TAI) was started as a street car class and these cars SHOULD remain and represent street cars with the least stuff pulled off the car and use drag radials LIKE WE DO ON THE STREET!!! D/R's have been into the low 5's in the 1/8th so I don't think the saftey of the drag radials is a big issue! I see it being more a prefrence than anything for some. My idea of a street car class means to drive your car there with all working equipment, Titled, registered, and insured. Run it in the (TAI street class LIKE YOU WOULD ON THE STREET!) and be able to drive it home!! Julio, Mike, Jack (who ever is going to set the rules) Needs to stop listening to all this garble and make the rules and call it a day! This has gotten way out of hand, PLEASE make the rules and post them seperately and then we will take it from there on who like's the class and who don't! Who will be showing to race and who won't!

Make the rules and post them seperately then watch people cry and whine about them!

Put a stop to 350 post's of constant bickering over lousy sh*t to make it around everyones personal combo's! That includes me too! I don't care if the turbo max is a 67. that is what I'll have to deal with.

Take a look at some of the most popular turbo's sold in the last two years that people are using on the street and there ya go! Wala!

I'm un-subscribed untill the rules come out, Good luck all !!!

Scot W.

I'm with Scot. That's what I was thinking. I have a little furter drive to BG, so I would be trailering mine. 9 hours is too far if I drive over the crank trying to keep up with the half of this class.

[1of1547]

Originally Posted by Razor

Why? Did Precision and Limit run out of turbo's?

No I'm sure that they have plenty stock!!! But most people don't have the extra funding to buy a bigger turbo. I was under the impression that this was supposed to be street class. Most street cars have 70mm or smaller turbo. myself included. I'd have a chance in heads up with a 67 or under. I was hoping that this class would remain a cheaper Heads up class. There are already a lot of high dollar heads up class that most people can't afford to race in. We really don't need another high dollar class.

[Slow91z]

76 is to big, and it's gonna scare off the smaller turbo crowd...For instance I have no intention to run brackets...I'd rather watch then run bracket, I can run bracket at my home track.

[jdsgnx]

[quote=jdsgnx;1738467]SO!!!!!!!!!!!
the rules are
76 turbo
slicks or D/R
109/140 block
93 pump gas
alky/nitrous
weight 3500/3600

are these the K.I.S.S rules OFFICALLY!!

[JCotton]

Ok, I have 2 cars with 61 turbos and want to run this class and want to run heads up, I think the class should not use anything larger than a 61 turbo otherwise I won't be competitive..... how can we make this a fair race and still run heads up.... if the turbo limit is a 67 or 70mm....

[Kip]

Jack, I do not understand what you are trying to say in your last post. Can you be a little clearer?
Thanks, Kip
PS I think your car looks much better when you have matching wheels on it.

[DragulaGN]

Bwhahahahah... those are blue printed T wheels Kip...they are extra light !!!

[Russ Merritt]

[quote=jdsgnx;1739498]

Originally Posted by jdsgnx

SO!!!!!!!!!!!
the rules are
76 turbo
slicks or D/R
109/140 block
93 pump gas
alky/nitrous
weight 3500/3600

are these the K.I.S.S rules OFFICALLY!!

I can live with that...

[JCotton]

Originally Posted by Kip

Jack, I do not understand what you are trying to say in your last post. Can you be a little clearer?
Thanks, Kip
PS I think your car looks much better when you have matching wheels on it.

ps... I agree, I did have matching ttype wheels back then. The fronts were narrowed and the rears were widened, the car looked pretty stock back then and ran low 9's. Not bad, used BFG DR's and ran 9.50's.... I liked the slicks better, they were more consistent. On that subject.... maybe that is the keyword, consistent... When you speak about the big boyz on DR's, there's more to it than just slapping some DR's on a mustang and running down the track.... lot's of $ in the suspension and combo, lots of time in T$T, and lots of passes where ya just don't get down the track. I personally don't care if we use DR's or slicks, I know I can hook em up and I have a pretty good idea what needs to be done to hook em up.. I still feel better with slicks, at the level I plan to run, I really don't feel like doing the Otto shuffle down the track.. but then if you haven't gone for "the site seeing run" down the track, one would not understand.

Ok, I'm on my second cup of coffee, this is gonna be long, maybe I should just stick a needle in my arm and injest the coffee intravenously... It seems the turbo is the sticking subject, I have been there before in rules discussion for the TSE class before it was renamed TSO. I believed a 76 turbo was the largest turbo anyone should use on a stage 2 street car, others wanted to run 88's... I also believed a 2004r was the only trans that should be used on a street car... with no trans brake, others did not agree with me. I also believed AC should be used on a street car others did not. MY point, I lost, but I was passionate about the rules and at times the discussions got ugly. I didn't change my car, I didn't run the class... who lost? I can look back now and say.... I was the one that lost. I wanted to race, but stuck by my beliefs, the class went on without me. To sum it up, if I had it to do again, from the beginning, I would have run the class, I would have been competitive and could have won some of those races. My fears of not being competitive just did not happen. Today , is a different story, I have been running TSO, I have been competitive and I have even won some races and runnered up in several, not bad.... for having less than the rest. Unfortunately, the last few races, guys have gotten it together and next year in TSO, I will have to make some changes and turn up the wick if I want to be competitive. You ask what does this have to do with TAI.... alot! My point is, for those that don't think they will be competitive, give it a chance, no matter what the limits are, the chances of being competitive are excellent, no matter what the guy next to you has for a combo. I think if you look back here to one of my first posts, I wanted to see no larger than a 70P turbo, figuring that would be competitive with the 67 and 66 turbos... I lobbied for that, but had to settle on the 76. A 76 is not what I want to see, but it's not my call... I'll still race the class no matter what... why... because I want to race.. period. If you guys really want to race this class, race it!!! Bring your best to the class, you will be surprised with the outcome. If a 67 was the largest turbo, can you run 9.90.... thats the bar that has been set by John C and Grumpy.... The fastest I have heard anyone else going on alchy was around 9.50, but I think that was with race gas and alchy.. and a 70GTQ.. can it be done with pump gas? I don't know, maybe... maybe not.... I'm not worried about it and I'm not running a 76 if that is the limit... just like TSO in the past, I believe a smaller turbo is still the ticket. I'm not building a monster motor either... stock stroke motors have run 9.40 and I just don't have the money... or see the need for anything bigger..

As for the rest of the car, I don't care, there are lots of street cars with and without AC, everyone has their own idea of what a street car is. The bottom line, we need cars, with or withour AC... My son is building a car to drive on the street, he removed the AC for his own reasons... he narrowed the frame rails for a bigger tire, he's putting a roll cage in for safety and again for safety, he wants to put in race seats... does that mean it's not a street car? Maybe not to some, but from the standpoint of being his father, I want all the protection for him I can get. At the performance level we build our street cars to today, these are all areas that need to be addressed... I've seen the results of a bad situation... it ain't pretty. Your 10 second car was not designed from the factory to run like it does now.

Ok, I'm done... have to get to work, please understand I am only trying to share my experiences racing in Buick classes..... not trying to knock anyone around, just hope that some can understand where I am coming from.. There was one more thing and I forgot it already... maybe I'll remember later and add it in.. gotta run.. Happy Holidays..

[JCotton]

Originally Posted by 1of1547

No I'm sure that they have plenty stock!!! But most people don't have the extra funding to buy a bigger turbo. I was under the impression that this was supposed to be street class. Most street cars have 70mm or smaller turbo. myself included. I'd have a chance in heads up with a 67 or under. I was hoping that this class would remain a cheaper Heads up class. There are already a lot of high dollar heads up class that most people can't afford to race in. We really don't need another high dollar class.

It looks like you are new to heads up racing... there is no such thing as a cheap heads up class... someone will spend the money to win the class.. you can bet on it. But... that doesn't always happen.. the winning part. Now if it was a bracket class... money spent means nothing.. everyone has a fair chance to win. That was the last point in my previous thread I wanted to make. For those that don'twant to run a bracket class, maybe we can just split up the field with a Q-8 class and heads up.. the rest can then run heads up in the second class. Now I'm sure the guy with a 44 is not going to like it... but who really and truly here plans to go to BG and run in this class?

[Slow91z]

I want to race it and have no interest in bracket as stated. My point Jack was I want to race heads up even if I get kicked in the teeth, but the way it was looking I wasn't going to make the Q8 and would be stuck bracket racing. Course if there's only 6 cars I'm safe.

Also while I'm on here I'll say this too.

I think we are screwing up with this class, I think it either needs to be a street car class with a 70 limit, AC, maybe DOT tires (I could go either way here), Full interior, ect. OR a balls to the wall Stage 2 Alky Outlaw class or even 2 classes 1 for each (I realize this might be hard to accomplish all in one winter, just saying what I think would be best). I think the 109 with a 76 is kind of a weird move, the 76 is more race car, but we're worried about the block??

So there you go, I hope you guys at least consider this. If it's a balls out race car class then I will have fun watching if it's a street car class I will run it assuming it's heads up.

[JCotton]

Originally Posted by Slow91z

I want to race it and have no interest in bracket as stated. My point Jack was I want to race heads up even if I get kicked in the teeth, but the way it was looking I wasn't going to make the Q8 and would be stuck bracket racing. Course if there's only 6 cars I'm safe.

Collin, check out my above post.... 2 classes... both heads up...

[Mike Licht]

I am not making the rules only commeting since I would like to race. Although I am losing interest because of the bickering which is one of the reasons I quit a long time ago. FIrst of all where was it written that this was a "street" class. I missed that "rule", as far as I know it was turbo alky/pump gas. Drag radials are fine like Jack I have no problem hooking them up but I can take a car with stock suspension and a good set of tires and shocks and go 1.4X 60's. I can also do it with drag radials but I have to spend some money. Turbos today, the biggest 3 bolt you can buy right now (from PTE, jack or limit may have something) is the new 70HPQ this has gone low nines in TSM already. The 76 is not even offered since there is such a mismatch in wheel size (you can buy a 4788 3 bolt, they have a few housings) I suppose you could get a 4776 built on that housing or go 4 bolt. The 67 and 70 turbos have by far been the most popular in the last couple years. If this is the true point of problems make the limit a 70 or a 67. No matter what you pick someone is going to have the wrong part anyway. Like it or not this is a 9 sec class guys Grumpy proved that already with a 67 turbo. Lets make a choice, and get the GSCA to buy in so we can have a little fun.
Mike

[V6RACER]

How about this??

Any 3 bolt turbo
"275" D/R only
109/140 block
93 pump gas
alky/nitrous
weight 3550 aluminum /3400 iron